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Probably alot better knowing that there are less people willing to attack us because they believe slanted coverage instead of the terrorists' outright lies...aps said:I was planning to start a thread on this very topic. I am so disheartened with how unethical this administration is. How can they not see how totally inappropriate this is? Restore honesty and integrity to the White House? My a$$. Not only am I disheartened, but disgusted as well. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. I just cannot imagine what goes through these people's heads in thinking that deceiving others is ever okay. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I pulled that kind of $hit. How do these people sleep at night?
cnredd said:Probably alot better knowing that there are less people willing to attack us because they believe slanted coverage instead of the terrorists' outright lies...
Propaganda in a war...wow...what a revelation...:roll:
I think it should be endorsed...aps said:Really, cnredd? You don't have a problem with this?
Did you have a point you were trying to make?Originally posted by Shoey:
I recall Dan Rather getting fired for reporting a false story about President Bush and his military record. Anyone can easily figure out CBS/CNN=radical left wingers.
Billo_Really said:Did you have a point you were trying to make?
I don't know. Maybe his post was bought and paid for by the Republican Party. Do you ever get the feeling there are professional posters out there earning a living by going on websites and argueing the good fight?Originally posted by aps:
LOL The point was to bash CNN and CBS, which is totally irrelevant to this thread.
Billo_Really said:Did you have a point you were trying to make?
Shoey said:Well did Dan Rather get fired or not??? Oh, he resigned. My point is clear and that is CBS/CNN are left wing media. Do you agree or disagree?
cnredd said:I think it should be endorsed...
In case you haven't noticed...This is a war...
cnredd said:Probably alot better knowing that there are less people willing to attack us because they believe slanted coverage instead of the terrorists' outright lies...
Propaganda in a war...wow...what a revelation...:roll:
I understand your point. I also believe our armed forces take their job very seriously and do it as professionally as the situation permits. I am also receptive to any related information that should be taken into consideration. Good or bad. It is all part of the mix.Originally posted by oldreliable67:
Billo,
If you want to talk about Fallujah, you really ought to do a bit more research. Lets go back to the 'first' confrontation at Fallujah - remember when the corpses of civilian contractors were set on fire and mutilated and strung up on the bridge?
Afterwards, we started an operation to root out those responsible, but acceded to the demands of various clerics and others to hold off in return for Iraqis policing of Fallujah. We waited. While we waited, the Iraqi "Fallujah battalion" faded away and Fallujah became a terrorist haven.
This time, knowing that Fallujah was the source of many car bombs and terrorists activities, we didn't. But, and this is an important but, we gave any and all civilians who wanted to leave the opportunity to do so. Sure, we watched as they left, trying to pick from the crowds any likely looking terrorists, but all women and kids and noncombatants were urged to leave and those who wanted to leave, did so. Even so, our rules of engagement still emphasized the avoidance of civilian casualties and collateral damage.
Were buildings and homes destroyed? You betcha. But they were destroyed because insurgent forces were using them as redoubts and refuges, to fire on our forces. Our rules of engagement are first and foremost, 'protect yourself'. Nothing was destroyed indiscriminately, as you imply.
Billo, there are lots of links and lots of info on Fallujah as well as US ROE (rules of engagement). Are you as well informed about the events and conditions there as you need to be in order to make this assertion?
I disagree. I also think Bush is a deserter.Originally posted by Shoey:
Well did Dan Rather get fired or not??? Oh, he resigned. My point is clear and that is CBS/CNN are left wing media. Do you agree or disagree?
aps said:Shoey, you are making no sense in this thread. If you want to trash CBS/CNN and Dan Rather, why not go into the "Bias in the Media" topic and start a thread.
BTW, I disagree with you about CBS and CNN being left wing media.
But I did not say (or imply) that we were destroying structures indescriminately.
There are also reports that we weren't letting everyone that wanted to leave go.
If you're going that route, then I tend to agree...tryreading said:Propaganda in a war is expected. The bigger problem, though, is a pattern of behavior that uses propaganda to change the opinions of Americans at home by pushing information at them that is fabricated, and has nothing to do with the war. When the government reports 'news' that is not true, it is committing an illegal act. The Armstrong Williams charade caused Congress to clarify an enacted law, that the current administration was ignoring, which made the reporting by government of untrue 'news' as if it were accurate a crime.
The military should be more careful about some of its propaganda, like the Tillman death. He was the pro football player who volunteered to go, even though he had a multimillion dollar contract to play ball here. Anyway, the military fabricated a heroic story about his death in Afghanistan, but it was revealed later he was killed accidently by friendly fire. This was unnecessary, and undermined credibility for no reason.
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