More Proof Guns Don't Actually Save Lives

[calamity]

They cost them.



Wide open Alaska is the worst, Hawaii the best. Texas is in middle of the pack but far worse than California, Connecticut and New York, three states with the strict gun laws.

Gun Violence in America: A State-by-State Analysis

While gun violence is a uniquely American problem, the specific impact varies widely from state to state.

www.americanprogress.org

Note, too, Texas is worse then Illinois, the state with CHICAGO, the gun peddlers' rallying cry for all things homicide.

 

[TurtleDude]

Center for American Progress is a neo-socialist left wing propaganda site

 

[calamity]

Center for American Progress is a neo-socialist left wing propaganda site

Hard facts seem to always have a liberal bias. Alternative facts, OTOH, are a Right Wing dream. I know.

 

[TurtleDude]

Hard facts seem to always have a liberal bias. Alternative facts, OTOH, are a Right Wing dream. I know.

lying is a liberal stock in trade. You find a far left propaganda center that starts off with the goal of demonizing gun ownership and works backwards to come up with support. Such as counting suicides and illegal gun possession.

 

[calamity]

lying....

Show that stats in my citation are lies.

 

[TurtleDude]

the first recommendation of those scumbags is banning "assault weapons" yet those are used in ALMOST NO suicides and less than 1.5% of gunshot homicides So when that is their leading suggestion, you realize its political. "assault weapons" are hated by gun banners because

1) they are mainly owned by those who are serious about gun rights
2) they are the most useful weapon for defense against gangs or rioters

they also demand background checks for ONLINE gun sales-proving they are clueless about current gun laws

 

[TurtleDude]

Show that stats in my citation are lies.

Suicides are not a crime issue

why do those turds list as their main goal banning firearms that are never used in suicides and rarely used in murders?

 

[calamity]

Suicides are not a crime issue...

That's a straw man you threw out there. Note, I make no mention of "crimes." I simply stated having a gun does not make you safer, which of course is true.

 

[TurtleDude]

That's a straw man you threw out there. Note, I make no mention of "crimes." I simply stated having a gun does not make you safer, which of course is true.

and you are lying once again, there are thousands upon thousands of people who stopped a violent crime with a gun including myself. I was safer by having a gun

 

[Noodlegawd]

They cost them.



Wide open Alaska is the worst, Hawaii the best. Texas is in middle of the pack but far worse than California, Connecticut and New York, three states with the strict gun laws.

Gun Violence in America: A State-by-State Analysis

While gun violence is a uniquely American problem, the specific impact varies widely from state to state.

www.americanprogress.org

Note, too, Texas is worse then Illinois, the state with CHICAGO, the gun peddlers' rallying cry for all things homicide.

Did she mention that Texas has basically the same murder rate as California, despite having a significantly higher poverty rate?

 

[calamity]

and you are lying ...

Prove the stats presented are not correct. So far, the only lie I see is your false accusation above.

 

[calamity]

Did she mention that Texas has basically the same murder rate as California, despite having a significantly higher poverty rate?

Relevance?

 

[Noodlegawd]

Relevance?

How could it possibly not be relevant? What could be more relevant to determining whether one is "safer?"

I guess we could point to the violent crime rate if you want to go broader. That's actually LOWER in Texas.

 

[TurtleDude]

Did she mention that Texas has basically the same murder rate as California, despite having a significantly higher poverty rate?

why do you think their main goal is banning stuff that has no significant usage in suicide or are used in less than 1.5% of the murders?

 

[calamity]

How could it possibly not be relevant? What could be more relevant to determining whether one is "safer?"

I guess we could point to the violent crime rate if you want to go broader. That's actually LOWER in Texas.

The stats speak for themselves. Alaska and Texas, two gun freewheelers have higher gun death rates than states with tighter restrictions, like the dreaded California. Seems pretty obvious. Have a gun, die by a gun odds go up--way up.

 

[Noodlegawd]

The stats speak for themselves. Alaska and Texas, two gun freewheelers have higher gun death rates than states with tighter restrictions, like the dreaded California. Seems pretty obvious. Have a gun, die by a gun odds go up--way up.

Who cares what the "gun death rate" is? If there are lower gun deaths, but similar homicide rates, it just tends to show that it has little or nothing to do with guns.

 

[calamity]

Who cares what the "gun death rate" is? If there are lower gun deaths, but similar homicide rates, it just tends to show that it has little or nothing to do with guns.

false

 

[Noodlegawd]

false

Good argument.

 

[calamity]

Good argument.

thanks

 

[RF667799]

They cost them.



Wide open Alaska is the worst, Hawaii the best. Texas is in middle of the pack but far worse than California, Connecticut and New York, three states with the strict gun laws.

Gun Violence in America: A State-by-State Analysis

While gun violence is a uniquely American problem, the specific impact varies widely from state to state.

www.americanprogress.org

Note, too, Texas is worse then Illinois, the state with CHICAGO, the gun peddlers' rallying cry for all things homicide.

Illinois has more gun homicide than Texas. More than a great many states with supposedly lax gun laws.

While the stats on that site may be correct, the conclusions drawn are garbage.

 

[Antiwar]

the first recommendation of those scumbags is banning "assault weapons" yet those are used in ALMOST NO suicides and less than 1.5% of gunshot homicides So when that is their leading suggestion, you realize its political. "assault weapons" are hated by gun banners because

Scumbags?! People that want to at least try to prevent random mass murders are supposedly scumbags?! And that's the logical reason for wanting "assault weapons" well regulated. Your callous careless bullshit is pissing me off.

 

[Antiwar]

Who cares what the "gun death rate" is?

Who doesn't care what the 'gun death rate' is?

If there are lower gun deaths, but similar homicide rates, it just tends to show that it has little or nothing to do with guns.

Did you review the data? Did you analyze the data? How did you draw your conclusion? There's a lot of gun violence in the US; that has everything to do with guns.

 

[Antiwar]

Illinois has more gun homicide than Texas. More than a great many states with supposedly lax gun laws.

While the stats on that site may be correct, the conclusions drawn are garbage.

What conclusions are you supposedly refuting? If you were actually refuting conclusions, then you would have posted those conclusions and tried to show how they were "garbage."

 

[RF667799]

What conclusions are you supposedly refuting? If you were actually refuting conclusions, then you would have posted those conclusions and tried to show how they were "garbage."

Pick one.

 

[Antiwar]

Pick one.

Would you like me to do the analysis for you, too?