More guns = more violence

[Bucky]

How Many Guns Did Americans Buy Last Month? We’re Tracking the Sales Boom.​

About 1.4 million guns were sold in December, according to seasonally adjusted estimates.

How Many Guns Did Americans Buy Last Month?

About 1.2 million guns were sold in June, according to seasonally adjusted estimates.

www.thetrace.org

After murders in the United States soared to more than 21,000 in 2020, researchers began searching for a definitive explanation why. Many factors may have contributed, such as a pandemic-driven loss of social programs and societal and policing changes after George Floyd’s murder. But one hypothesis is simpler, and perhaps has significant explanatory power: A massive increase in gun sales in early 2020 led to additional murders.

New data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) suggest that that indeed may have been the case. According to the data, newly purchased weapons found their way into crimes much more quickly and often last year than in prior years. That seems to point to a definitive conclusion—that new guns led to more murders—but the data set cannot prove that just yet.

The Data Are Pointing to One Major Driver of America’s Murder Spike

A massive increase in gun sales in early 2020 seems to have contributed to the recent rise in homicides.

www.theatlantic.com

But data from numerous large American cities complicates that narrative, suggesting that the change in policing alone is not sufficient to explain last year’s large increase in murder and that a growing number of firearms on the streets likely played a significant role.

It’s true that police activity, as measured by stops and arrests, declined significantly in 2020. Still, despite that drop, and weeks before Floyd’s murder and the ensuing protests, police began finding firearms more often than in previous years.

One possible cause of the 2020 murder increase: More guns

Police are pointing fingers at protests to explain the murder increase. The data suggests the story is more complicated.

www.vox.com

Homicide​

1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review)

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Harvard Injury Control Research Center | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

The Center aims to reduce the societal burden of injury and violence through surveillance, research, intervention, evaluation, outreach, and training.

www.hsph.harvard.edu

I think what seems like common sense leads to an obvious conclusion: More guns have led to more violent deaths in the United States.

The idea that guns prevent violence is illogical, silly, stupid, and flat-out wrong.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

How Many Guns Did Americans Buy Last Month?

About 1.2 million guns were sold in June, according to seasonally adjusted estimates.

www.thetrace.org

The Data Are Pointing to One Major Driver of America’s Murder Spike

A massive increase in gun sales in early 2020 seems to have contributed to the recent rise in homicides.

www.theatlantic.com

One possible cause of the 2020 murder increase: More guns

Police are pointing fingers at protests to explain the murder increase. The data suggests the story is more complicated.

www.vox.com

Harvard Injury Control Research Center | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

The Center aims to reduce the societal burden of injury and violence through surveillance, research, intervention, evaluation, outreach, and training.

www.hsph.harvard.edu

I think what seems like common sense leads to an obvious conclusion: More guns have led to more violent deaths in the United States.

The idea that guns prevent violence is illogical, silly, stupid, and flat-out wrong.

BAN. THEM. ALL.
(crime will fall)

 

[Sabre]

BAN. THEM. ALL.
(crime will fall)

It's had to tell with written words so I assume that is sarcasm?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

It's had to tell with written words so I assume that is sarcasm?

You ASSumed.

 

[Phys251]

Inb4 the false dichotomy about "good guys" and "bad guys."

 

[tshade]

How Many Guns Did Americans Buy Last Month?

About 1.2 million guns were sold in June, according to seasonally adjusted estimates.

www.thetrace.org

The Data Are Pointing to One Major Driver of America’s Murder Spike

A massive increase in gun sales in early 2020 seems to have contributed to the recent rise in homicides.

www.theatlantic.com

One possible cause of the 2020 murder increase: More guns

Police are pointing fingers at protests to explain the murder increase. The data suggests the story is more complicated.

www.vox.com

Harvard Injury Control Research Center | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

The Center aims to reduce the societal burden of injury and violence through surveillance, research, intervention, evaluation, outreach, and training.

www.hsph.harvard.edu

I think what seems like common sense leads to an obvious conclusion: More guns have led to more violent deaths in the United States.

The idea that guns prevent violence is illogical, silly, stupid, and flat-out wrong.

More guns = more GUN violence

 

[Sabre]

You ASSumed.

Nice, I will make another assumption now, but rather than degrade to your level of reply I will ask just how do you think you would enforce such a ban?

 

[Rucker61]

Inb4 the false dichotomy about "good guys" and "bad guys."

Why is this a false dichotomy?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Its not just reduction in policing, its reduction of policing in the highest crime areas, lowering police presence, and the sudden revolving door policy on bail. Unless we forget their was a lot of amnesty applied to criminals due to covid as well. There are a lot of moving parts here, gun sales may be a factor but the others impact directly on crime statistics.

 

[soylentgreen]

Pointing to guns explains why guns are good at the job of killing people. It does not tell me why people are so keen to kill each other.

 

[Individual]

More guns = more GUN violence

If that were true, I, and all my gun owning friends would be serial killers.

 

[TheParser]

In fact, fewer guns = more violence.

There would be even more mayhem if those horrible predators did not have some fear that maybe, just maybe, their intended victims might, just might, have a gun to protect themselves.

Guns do not kill.

Horrible predators do.

In the coming decades, the really, really, really bad guys will become even MORE brazen.

It will become so bad that the new majority will crack down with a vengeance. Even Stop & Frisk may return.

 

[danielpalos]

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[Bucky]

In fact, fewer guns = more violence.

There would be even more mayhem if those horrible predators did not have some fear that maybe, just maybe, their intended victims might, just might, have a gun to protect themselves.

Guns do not kill.

Horrible predators do.

In the coming decades, the really, really, really bad guys will become even MORE brazen.

It will become so bad that the new majority will crack down with a vengeance. Even Stop & Frisk may return.

Wrong. The evidence and facts do not support your silly thesis.

 

[zsu2357]

How Many Guns Did Americans Buy Last Month?

About 1.2 million guns were sold in June, according to seasonally adjusted estimates.

www.thetrace.org

The Data Are Pointing to One Major Driver of America’s Murder Spike

A massive increase in gun sales in early 2020 seems to have contributed to the recent rise in homicides.

www.theatlantic.com

One possible cause of the 2020 murder increase: More guns

Police are pointing fingers at protests to explain the murder increase. The data suggests the story is more complicated.

www.vox.com

Harvard Injury Control Research Center | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

The Center aims to reduce the societal burden of injury and violence through surveillance, research, intervention, evaluation, outreach, and training.

www.hsph.harvard.edu

I think what seems like common sense leads to an obvious conclusion: More guns have led to more violent deaths in the United States.

The idea that guns prevent violence is illogical, silly, stupid, and flat-out wrong.

Sure, of course. We saw how things went in Seattle and those weren't law abiding citizens that had the guns thinking they were running things or rather the BOSSES.

 

[zsu2357]

It's had to tell with written words so I assume that is sarcasm?

If only, but unfortunately he actually believes it.

 

[zsu2357]

Pointing to guns explains why guns are good at the job of killing people. It does not tell me why people are so keen to kill each other.

Good question. But now would I? Simply and only because the dumbass in question wanted to kill me.

 

[noonereal]

Its not just reduction in policing, its reduction of policing in the highest crime areas, lowering police presence, and the sudden revolving door policy on bail. Unless we forget their was a lot of amnesty applied to criminals due to covid as well. There are a lot of moving parts here, gun sales may be a factor but the others impact directly on crime statistics.

Really poor post. We lead the world in imprisonment already. Something else is wrong, its not that we don't lock up enough people.

 

[zsu2357]

If that were true, I, and all my gun owning friends would be serial killers.

I know what you mean, I'd probably be living in a Ghost Town.

 

[Phys251]

Inb4 the false dichotomy about "good guys" and "bad guys."

In fact, fewer guns = more violence.

There would be even more mayhem if those horrible predators did not have some fear that maybe, just maybe, their intended victims might, just might, have a gun to protect themselves.

Guns do not kill.

Horrible predators do.

In the coming decades, the really, really, really bad guys will become even MORE brazen.

It will become so bad that the new majority will crack down with a vengeance. Even Stop & Frisk may return.

All too easy.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Nice, I will make another assumption now, but rather than degrade to your level of reply I will ask just how do you think you would enforce such a ban?

Just like they do in Australia, the UK, etc, et al.

Find the Gun Nuts. Then SHUT EM DOWN.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

I'd say we shouldn't have any security problems in our Free States.

 

[Mach]

Pointing to guns explains why guns are good at the job of killing people. It does not tell me why people are so keen to kill each other.

It doesn't really matter because any population of significant size and complexity will have some percentage of people who accept that they may kill others or themselves as a matter of course.
Adding a saturation of guns to that population makes homicide/gun violence dramatically increase.
You can regulate guns more easily than you can change human nature, is the point. And of course, we have many countries we can look at with far lower gun violence and guns than the U.S., that bears this out.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Really poor post. We lead the world in imprisonment already. Something else is wrong, its not that we don't lock up enough people.

You don't think police presence reduces crime? You don't think releasing violent felons increases crime? You don't think bail to violent offenders can lead to more crime? Yes, we do have a lot of people incarcerated for simple possession and that needs to end. There are other factors besides firearms. A lot of other factors.

 

[Bucky]

You don't think police presence reduces crime? You don't think releasing violent felons increases crime? You don't think bail to violent offenders can lead to more crime? Yes, we do have a lot of people incarcerated for simple possession and that needs to end. There are other factors besides firearms. A lot of other factors.

The thing is though, you support violent felons being able to legally own firearms.