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I voted that morality does indeed exist.
Ivan The Terrible said:star2589,
I agree with your view. However, can you tell us why you think morality exist?
Yup, that's my take on it as well.Apostle13 said:Morality is a given. However, it is all too often ill-defined according to the individual. As a Christian I believe in absolutes... Either wrong or right, black or white. Hence, no gray areas. This is oddly accepted because many if not most are not willing to commit change in order to appease their own conscience. Denial that one thing or another is morally wrong over time diminishes their guilt. When done in groups/masses re-defines it as socially acceptable. To win their own internal battle they often readily conclude "There is no God". Therefore, no repercussion.
Most of the people I've encountered who make this silly claim are at that stage in their life when they are hip if they walk around smoking their clove cigarettes, while wearing their Che Guevara caps and clutching a book they have never read, but hoping desperately somebody notices. It's an affectation and part of their personna du jour that may very well change in a year or three when they start shaving.
In others, it simply acts as a get out of jail free card. When pressed on their obvious lack of intellectual honesty or consistancy of viewpoint, they simply pull out their magic buzz phrase and voila! -- they can talk out of both sides of their mouth and all is forgiven.
What I find amusing is the fact that if people actually believed this nonsense they profess, they would not even be posting in these discussion boards to begin with. If they really had no sense of morality, they would not care a whit one way or another about much of anything, and so would not be motivated to offer their opinion on all these various subjects in which one's sense of right and wrong is integral to the discussion.
The only people for whom I would say the notion of morality does not exist are the true sociopaths and psychopaths -- those who are so damaged as to exist outside the realm of right and wrong.
Ivan The Terrible said:It has come to Your Master's knowledge that some humans on this site hold this postion. Do you agree with this? Vote and share your postion.
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Ivan The Terrible said:Great post. Do we have anyone here whom has a diff view?
ngdawg said:Morals are like home furnishings. What fits in one person's life doesn't necessarily fit in anyone else's and some are sitting in an empty house...
ngdawg said:And while there are the basic morals of not killing another person or destroying something, that, for me, would go right out the window when it comes to protecting the lives of the people I love and care about.
ngdawg said:Morals are like home furnishings. What fits in one person's life doesn't necessarily fit in anyone else's and some are sitting in an empty house....
Spin it metaphorically... Explain allegorically... Deny it categorically... Makes no matter. Changes not the TRUTH. Exact morals are inherently instilled. Individually compromised.Korimyr the Rat said:The problem is, morality is a lot like language. It only works when people agree upon the rules of how it works.
Generally morals decline. Example: I would wager that as a youth you would have never made reference to a fetus as a parasite..? That is just wrong and heartless conveyance spewed forth in classic degenerate fashion.ngdawg said:I do disagree with the concept of absolutes, black and white, etc. As our lives change, our morals change. What was acceptable in youth is not always acceptable when one is a parent, an executive, etc.
Apostle13 said:Spin it metaphorically... Explain allegorically... Deny it categorically... Makes no matter. Changes not the TRUTH. Exact morals are inherently instilled. Individually compromised.Generally morals decline. Example: I would wager that as a youth you would have never made reference to a fetus as a parasite..? That is just wrong and heartless conveyance spewed forth in classic degenerate fashion.
Yea whatever... Pass me the chicken..:lol:afr0byte said:Don't mind me if I'm not inclined to take your argument too seriously, considering your username.
A) that argument is 3 doors down, to the left....and B) while I may have said it lives like one or similar, I never called it one, so you can stop with the finger pointing, k? k....Apostle13 said:Spin it metaphorically... Explain allegorically... Deny it categorically... Makes no matter. Changes not the TRUTH. Exact morals are inherently instilled. Individually compromised.Generally morals decline. Example: I would wager that as a youth you would have never made reference to a fetus as a parasite..? That is just wrong and heartless conveyance spewed forth in classic degenerate fashion.
Did that make you mad when I said that..:lol: You know I couldn't resist... Afterall you are my favorite adversary.ngdawg said:A) that argument is 3 doors down, to the left....and B) while I may have said it lives like one or similar, I never called it one, so you can stop with the finger pointing, k? k....
And in my youth, I couldn't care less about fetuses anyway, so don't even go there.
I can only speak from a Christian's POV regarding moral conduct because beyond that which is a biblical standard I must view as compromise. The ace measures of morality are found within our own conscience, but it is an in-depth probe and the willingness to recognize what is truth even despite ourselves are that which brings it into fruition. Morality begins at the individual level as does our own esteem for they are one defining/regulating the other. Majority rule is no accurate measure. Internal conviction, unadulterated (without our own past for reasons of justification) is the precise tool of measure. The bible itself only affirms that which we know/knew... Yet, often at times redirecting us, as well, preventing critical error.ngdawg said:How on earth would morals decline as maturity and responsibility grow? Single 20-somethings out partying and 'finding themselves' sure don't have the moral fiber necessary to successfully raise a family, succeed in business, etc. because they are still searching for that base that will show them the morals they personally need to live by. If that statement was true, by the time everyone hit their 60's they'd all belong to rave clubs, sex clubs, cross personal boundaries with no conscience and generally not give two sh!ts about the next guy.
We develop moral character through the venues shown us, given us. We make choices based on what we perceive to be the best moral road for us, if we're half-way intelligent enough. If we aren't, we are doomed to fail personally and societally.
This does not mean we have to follow a written 'guide', but we at least should be aware of the consequences of good, true choices vs bad, false ones and act with that knowledge.
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