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Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated

Lord of Planar said:
The reality exposed years back, is that anyone who died and tested positive for COVID were very likely to be claimed as a COVID death, even if something else may have obviously killed them.
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Not true . But heh it’s a great conspiracy that thousands of physicians risked their livilihoods by writing false death certificates.
They was all “ in on it” right.

And why? Oh yeah “ hospitals get paid more for covid deaths”

Except hospitals DONT GET PAID THAT WAY.

But hey , why let reality get in the way right?
 
jaeger19 said:
Not true . But heh it’s a great conspiracy that thousands of physicians risked their livilihoods by writing false death certificates.
They was all “ in on it” right.

And why? Oh yeah “ hospitals get paid more for covid deaths”

Except hospitals DONT GET PAID THAT WAY.

But hey , why let reality get in the way right?
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The three monkeys come to mind regarding your response.
 
jaeger19 said:
Of course. Why shouldn’t they get more to pay for the extra ppe, testing, and isolation procedures of say a patient with a broken leg AND Covid.?
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BULLFEATHERS , NO EVIDENCE that those patients needed ventilators.

According to Pioneer Convid whistleblower the wonderful Erin Marie Olzewski , RN the ONLY patients who survived their ordeal were those who REFUSED the ventilators !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Undercover Epicenter Nurse: How Fraud, Negligence, and Greed Led to Unnecessary Deaths at Elmhurst Hospital Hardcover – August 18, 2020​

by Erin Marie Olszewski, RN

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Lord of Planar said:
The three monkeys come to mind regarding your response.
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In other words you have no response to the facts.
Here is some facts to think about.
1. Hospitals get paid largely based on what’s called a DRG diagnosis related groups.
In other words the hospital gets a lump payment based on what you are diagnosed with in the hospital.
This is done when you enter the hospital generally and must be supported by the medical record.
I. E. What you “ die of “ and is later put on the death certificate “ is not what payment is based on. No one in billing looks at the death certificates .

2. Of course congress has to create a diagnostic code for Covid. Covid didn’t exist before so wasn’t listed as a billing code. And of course a person with Covid but had other diagnosis had costs .
If a child who was in a car wreck and fractured their femur and had even suspected Covid?
They had to be treated differently. They had to be isolated as they couldn’t be put in the room with grandma suffering from a fractured fibula.
That could kill her.

3. Physicians have to finish and sign a finished death certificate telatively quickly after a patient dies. . There is no advantage monetarily for the hospital to change a death certificate since that’s not what’s billed off of.
Physicians would have to be in a giant conspiracy to risk their licenses to purposely alter a death certificate. And for what?

You may be thinking of the three monkeys and that’s because you embody all three.
 
Contumacious said:
BULLFEATHERS , NO EVIDENCE that those patients needed ventilators.

According to Pioneer Convid whistleblower the wonderful Erin Marie Olzewski , RN the ONLY patients who survived their ordeal were those who REFUSED the ventilators !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Undercover Epicenter Nurse: How Fraud, Negligence, and Greed Led to Unnecessary Deaths at Elmhurst Hospital Hardcover – August 18, 2020​

by Erin Marie Olszewski, RN

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Umm , yeah no. So your contention is that physicians en masse decided to purposely kill patients by putting them on unnecessary ventilators so they could help the hospital get more money for a drg code for respiratory support.? Putting their licenses at risk and risking jail?

Did it ever occur to you that tge reason that patients who had to be placed on ventilators died at a higher rate than those who weren’t is because those that have to be on a ventilator are considerably more ill than those that don’t need one?
 
jaeger19 said:
In other words you have no response to the facts.
Here is some facts to think about.
1. Hospitals get paid largely based on what’s called a DRG diagnosis related groups.
In other words the hospital gets a lump payment based on what you are diagnosed with in the hospital.
This is done when you enter the hospital generally and must be supported by the medical record.
I. E. What you “ die of “ and is later put on the death certificate “ is not what payment is based on. No one in billing looks at the death certificates .

2. Of course congress has to create a diagnostic code for Covid. Covid didn’t exist before so wasn’t listed as a billing code. And of course a person with Covid but had other diagnosis had costs .
If a child who was in a car wreck and fractured their femur and had even suspected Covid?
They had to be treated differently. They had to be isolated as they couldn’t be put in the room with grandma suffering from a fractured fibula.
That could kill her.

3. Physicians have to finish and sign a finished death certificate telatively quickly after a patient dies. . There is no advantage monetarily for the hospital to change a death certificate since that’s not what’s billed off of.
Physicians would have to be in a giant conspiracy to risk their licenses to purposely alter a death certificate. And for what?

You may be thinking of the three monkeys and that’s because you embody all three.
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Sorry. there have been too many clear cases where a COVID assigned death was from other things. this was all discussed in the past.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Sorry. there have been too many clear cases where a COVID assigned death was from other things. this was all discussed in the past.
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Yeah no. There is no evidence simply ignorance of how the system works.
Remember all the reports of “ eating the dogs”… hmmm

Tell you what. Since there would be no financial gain here. Why would physicians do this?
What’s your rationale ???
 
jaeger19 said:
Umm , yeah no. So your contention is that physicians en masse decided to purposely kill patients by putting them on unnecessary ventilators so they could help the hospital get more money for a drg code for respiratory support.? Putting their licenses at risk and risking jail?

Did it ever occur to you that tge reason that patients who had to be placed on ventilators died at a higher rate than those who weren’t is because those that have to be on a ventilator are considerably more ill than those that don’t need one?
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Back in 2020 Doctors had the following choices:

Apply what they learned in Medical school , expose the Hoax and as a consequence thereof have the medical boards revoked their licenses

or

remain silent and rake in bazillion$$$$ from the Health Industrial Complex and the gullible populace

You do the math.

Doctor Simone Gold was BOTH a doctor and an attorney but in her attempt to expose the HOAX she was accused of being a stupid anti-vaxxer.

The naive , gullible AMericans who refused to use their critical thinking abilities refused to discern that someone who was an excellent Emergency Room Doctors for years , who graduated from universities with medical and legal degrees who succesfully challenged her national licensure tests did not suddently become stupid because she opposed the CIA PsyOps.

Sadly. that is precisely what happened
 
jaeger19 said:
Yeah no. There is no evidence simply ignorance of how the system works.
Remember all the reports of “ eating the dogs”… hmmm

Tell you what. Since there would be no financial gain here. Why would physicians do this?
What’s your rationale ???
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I am not disagreeing with how the system in general works or how it is supposed to.

Stop assuming dammit. You will be will almost always be wring when you do.
 
Contumacious said:
Back in 2020 Doctors had the following choices:

Apply what they learned in Medical school , expose the Hoax and as a consequence thereof have the medical boards revoked their licenses

or

remain silent and rake in bazillion$$$$ from the Health Industrial Complex and the gullible populace

You do the math.

Doctor Simone Gold was BOTH a doctor and an attorney but in her attempt to expose the HOAX she was accused of being a stupid anti-vaxxer.

The naive , gullible AMericans who refused to use their critical thinking abilities refused to discern that someone who was an excellent Emergency Room Doctors for years , who graduated from universities with medical and legal degrees who succesfully challenged her national licensure tests did not suddently become stupid because she opposed the CIA PsyOps.

Sadly. that is precisely what happened
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Blah blah blah.

how are they going to have their medical licenses revoked ? By putting actual diagnosis on admission??
You realize Covid actually COST the hospitals and physicians probably billions right?

Hospitals and most physicians make their money on elective outpatient procedures. Need a new total hip?
Need a new knee ,
Need shoulder surgery?
A cardiac ablation
A heart stent?
Covid overran hospitals and they had to shut down or curtail their most money making areas!!!

Outpatient clinics had less business and higher costs so even general practitioners lost money.

And these are all physicians that are on medical boards!!!!

You have zero clue what you are talking about.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I am not disagreeing with how the system in general works or how it is supposed to.

Stop assuming dammit. You will be will almost always be wring when you do.
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Yes you are. I am not assuming anything You HAVE to be disagreeing with the system works if you think there is any incentive or really mechanism that could be manipulated to change death certificates
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jaeger19 said:
Yes you are. I am not assuming anything You HAVE to be disagreeing with the system works if you think there is any incentive or really mechanism that could be manipulated to change death certificates
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Wow.

You think you are a mind reader.

Goodbye.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Wow.

You think you are a mind reader.

Goodbye.
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Has nothing to do with mind reading.
If you accept how the process for death certificates work. The timing.
How hospitals get paid etc. then you CANNOT believe reports of widespread “ changing “ of death certificates” to make deaths other than from COVID ,,, into covid deaths”,.

It just doesn’t work.
 
Contumacious said:
YUP

Steven Arthur LaTulippe, MD refused to follow CONVID 19 guidelines because he diagnosed them as a HOAX

The Oregon Medical Board revoked his license

Doctor who claimed masks hurt health loses license | MDedge

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Well. That’s not losing your license because you didn’t fraudulently put Covid on a death certificate.
Which is what you were claiming.

Instead you brought an example of a physician losing his license for gross negligence.

Which he should have .
 
Contumacious said:
What was the "gross negligence" ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Per your citation
“The Oregon Medical Board has revoked the license of a doctor who didn’t follow COVID-19 guidelines in his office and even told some patients that wearing face masks could lead to carbon-dioxide poisoning.

Steven Arthur LaTulippe’s advice to patients about face masking amounted to “gross negligence” in the practice of medicine and was grounds for discipline, the medical board said in a report.”

Refusing to follow basic safety procedures to reduce transmission of a deadly virus during a pandemic amounts to gross negligence.
 
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