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Monarch butterflies to be added to threatened species list in the US

I better finally get to planting some milkweed on my property. I knew Monarch butterflies were in trouble and it being linked to the lack of milkweed plants. I remember that milkweed was much more common on the roadsides in my youth. I don’t see very much of it today. I hope that I can do my small part, but it may be too little, too late.
Only use native Milkweed for this. Tropical milkweed sold in most garden stores is harmful.

  • Toxicity
    Tropical milkweed produces higher concentrations of cardenolides, which can be harmful to monarch caterpillars and adult butterflies.
 
I'm not someone that thinks windmills are any sort of great idea, so lie less.
Am, I mistaken? Am I confusing you with someone else? I could swear when we discussed this before, you dismissed it as bird statistics. Not endangered raptors like the real concern is.

If I am confusing you with someone else, I'm sorry. Often, you lefties look alike to me.
 
Am, I mistaken? Am I confusing you with someone else? I could swear when we discussed this before, you dismissed it as bird statistics. Not endangered raptors like the real concern is.

If I am confusing you with someone else, I'm sorry. Often, you lefties look alike to me.
Not me. I've been vocal about my opposition to offshore wind and don't hold much of an opinion at all about onshore wind because I've not researched them.

I do not, in general, find that wind is a viable alternative energy source and tend to like the idea of smaller nuclear plants.
 
Tell you what. Fund it yourself. Stay out of other people's pockets.

You didn't answer my question. How recent was that regulation he dismissed? It was probably another one of those stupid and excessive ones placed under Obama.

He didn't remove the Endangered Species Act. He cannot do that, it takes an act of congress. Why is it you lefties think the government can keep spending excessive money? We have such deep deficits each year, it seems not to matter so why do we even pay taxes when the feds just keep printing money.

Where does this insanity end?
You do not understand how the environment is all tied together, do you? ****ing sad.
 
I do not, in general, find that wind is a viable alternative energy source and tend to like the idea of smaller nuclear plants.
Good. I like solar power but not wind power. Nuclear is good also, just unlikely it will happen again.
 
You do not understand how the environment is all tied together, do you? ****ing sad.
I do. When does the left actually care past talking points and political power? Where do you draw the line for money spent to saving a small area deemed critical? A financial consideration needs to be in place.
 
Good. I like solar power but not wind power. Nuclear is good also, just unlikely it will happen again.
Solar seems more viable in certain regions than others.

I've seen smaller and safer nuclear plant options - that would power cities/counties - not be the large size of the ones of the past.
 
Solar seems more viable in certain regions than others.

I've seen smaller and safer nuclear plant options - that would power cities/counties - not be the large size of the ones of the past.
I agree. The science had become solid for small scale safe reactors.
 
Solar seems more viable in certain regions than others.

I've seen smaller and safer nuclear plant options - that would power cities/counties - not be the large size of the ones of the past.
I bet the reactor that powers an aircraft carrier could power a small town.
I wonder what it generates in terms of waste.
 
When we went to clear land on our farm in order to sell it, we had a government agent show up and tell us that we could not clear that land. That land was a part of a fallow land project and had been in crop production five years earlier but when a commercial building was built, they ran water into this area. With lawsuits, it took this amount of time to win the case and force the owner of this building to route his water elsewhere. This government agent told us we had to cease and desist and that this land was monarch butterfly habitat. BTW, this same agent told us that we had to remove our horses from their pasture which had been used as pasture land since 1880. We believe the goal was to bankrupt us in legal battles to clear the land for commercial use. We had to stop clearing that 10 acres. We had to remove our horses. We sold the land but at a lower price than we wanted and had to disclose what this EPA agent and other environmental people cited for the site. That site now is being prepared for a truck stop. How ironic is that? Suddenly, the EPA and all of those other environmental agencies are looking the other way. We have never seen a Monarch Butterfly on that farm.
 
When we went to clear land on our farm in order to sell it, we had a government agent show up and tell us that we could not clear that land. That land was a part of a fallow land project and had been in crop production five years earlier but when a commercial building was built, they ran water into this area. With lawsuits, it took this amount of time to win the case and force the owner of this building to route his water elsewhere. This government agent told us we had to cease and desist and that this land was monarch butterfly habitat. BTW, this same agent told us that we had to remove our horses from their pasture which had been used as pasture land since 1880. We believe the goal was to bankrupt us in legal battles to clear the land for commercial use. We had to stop clearing that 10 acres. We had to remove our horses. We sold the land but at a lower price than we wanted and had to disclose what this EPA agent and other environmental people cited for the site. That site now is being prepared for a truck stop. How ironic is that? Suddenly, the EPA and all of those other environmental agencies are looking the other way. We have never seen a Monarch Butterfly on that farm.
Yep.

This is why excessive regulations are not good. They get abused by the criminals in power.

It is also why the left loves to heavily regulate. So they have more power to abuse.
 
Only use native Milkweed for this. Tropical milkweed sold in most garden stores is harmful.

  • Toxicity
    Tropical milkweed produces higher concentrations of cardenolides, which can be harmful to monarch caterpillars and adult butterflies.

I am going to try to start native milkweed from seed. If I can only muster the energy to prepare a place for it where other weeds and vines are now dominating. I need to find a non chemical means to kill off the unwanted weeds and vines to make a place to try to grow native milkweed.
 
Yep.

This is why excessive regulations are not good. They get abused by the criminals in power.

It is also why the left loves to heavily regulate. So they have more power to abuse.

No, this isn’t so. Regulations against pollution and overuse of chemical agents in the environment aren’t about abusing power. Heck, Trump has been talking like an environmentalist out of one side of his mouth in regard to this and his pick of RFK Jr. to help make America healthy again. Of course he also wants to open up public lands to oil drilling in order to overproduce oil at the same time. It’s like his promise to protect women as he lusts after them. We have put the fox in charge of the hen house.
 
Good. I like solar power but not wind power. Nuclear is good also, just unlikely it will happen again.

Wind power is a valid source whether you like it or not. Nuclear has a lot of safety issues that have not been properly addressed.
 
Money is being distributed world wide of several trillions. Somebody is making good off the agenda.

Any evidence to back up this opinion, as that is all it is. Who in the world is getting trillions from this?
 
When we went to clear land on our farm in order to sell it, we had a government agent show up and tell us that we could not clear that land. That land was a part of a fallow land project and had been in crop production five years earlier but when a commercial building was built, they ran water into this area. With lawsuits, it took this amount of time to win the case and force the owner of this building to route his water elsewhere. This government agent told us we had to cease and desist and that this land was monarch butterfly habitat. BTW, this same agent told us that we had to remove our horses from their pasture which had been used as pasture land since 1880. We believe the goal was to bankrupt us in legal battles to clear the land for commercial use. We had to stop clearing that 10 acres. We had to remove our horses. We sold the land but at a lower price than we wanted and had to disclose what this EPA agent and other environmental people cited for the site. That site now is being prepared for a truck stop. How ironic is that? Suddenly, the EPA and all of those other environmental agencies are looking the other way. We have never seen a Monarch Butterfly on that farm.
I gotta call BS on this.

As far as I can find the only federal fallow land project is voluntary and the owner gets paid to leave the land fallow.

Monarch butterflies are not federally protected as they are not yet considered threatened or endangered. So the feds don't currently protect Monarch butterfly habitat.

And if horses had to be removed it was likely that they were polluting local waterways or ground water and the owners refused to clean it up. Or it was due to local code violations.
 

An iconic species is in trouble. :(

I remember seeing monarchs in abundance when I was a kid growing up in the late 1970s and early to mid-1980s. Over the past 20 or so years I can probably count the number I've seen on one hand. I remember 'love bugs' smashing into my car while driving the highways of Louisiana in summer, and now that I think about it, I can't recall seeing them in a long while either. Our pesticides are good -- too good, I reckon.
 
I gotta call BS on this.

As far as I can find the only federal fallow land project is voluntary and the owner gets paid to leave the land fallow.

Monarch butterflies are not federally protected as they are not yet considered threatened or endangered. So the feds don't currently protect Monarch butterfly habitat.

And if horses had to be removed it was likely that they were polluting local waterways or ground water and the owners refused to clean it up. Or it was due to local code violations.
You can call whatever you want. I left out that that pasture is becoming a subdivision. BTW, maybe you should brush up on the law. When something is declared a "habitat" for something like this butterfly, you'll lose every dime you have going through the courts to try to save your land. Also, the EPA can determine that if livestock waste goes into ponds and water sources including a pond that we built you have to move those animals. That pond only flooded into other potential water sources due to the building project that we sued and won on. Still, we had to move the horses. That farm had been in our family since the early 1880s. Again, believe what you want. IMO, there were some serious kickbacks in this attempt to take the farm.
 
I remember seeing monarchs in abundance when I was a kid growing up in the late 1970s and early to mid-1980s. Over the past 20 or so years I can probably count the number I've seen on one hand. I remember 'love bugs' smashing into my car while driving the highways of Louisiana in summer, and now that I think about it, I can't recall seeing them in a long while either. Our pesticides are good -- too good, I reckon.

And it coincides with not seeing roadside milkweed, which monarchs depend on heavily for survival.
 
I left out that that pasture is becoming a subdivision.
Wait... you said it was going to be a truck stop. Make up your mind.
BTW, maybe you should brush up on the law. When something is declared a "habitat" for something like this butterfly, you'll lose every dime you have going through the courts to try to save your land.
I know about the law. The problem is that when I go and look for instances of land being declared a Monarch butterfly habitat and protected in the US, I can't find a single one. I think you made that up. But maybe you can find something that will change my mind.
Also, the EPA can determine that if livestock waste goes into ponds and water sources including a pond that we built you have to move those animals.
Not if you clean things up and prevent further pollution.
That pond only flooded into other potential water sources due to the building project that we sued and won on.
Now you are changing your story yet again. You previously claimed that the runoff was going into the fallow field. It seems like you have a problem keeping your stories straight.
Still, we had to move the horses.
Ok... why don't you tell us the reason that was given for forcing you to remove the horses? Or was it really just because you were selling the land?
That farm had been in our family since the early 1880s.
Look... I am familiar with the grandfather clause, but it doesn't protect you from everything.
Again, believe what you want.
I will, especially when your story has as many holes in it as this one.
IMO, there were some serious kickbacks in this attempt to take the farm.
Now this I don't necessarily doubt. The chances of an EPA agent just happening to drive by your farm when you were clearing a fallow field is about as unlikely as winning the lottery. It is likely that somebody either reported you or someone had nefarious purposes and sent the agent to mess with you. Unless the EPA agent is just another of your made-up events.
 
People act like if Republicans cause species to go extinct, they can always just vote for a Democrat the next election and have them back.
 
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