Bin Forgotton
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The proposed legislation will strip
Americans of the right to a trial by jury if harmed by an experimental or
licensed drug or vaccine that they are forced by government to take whenever
federal health officials declare a public health emergency.
Nicknamed "Bioshield Two," the legislation is being pushed rapidly through Congress without time for voters to make their voices heard by their elected representatives
http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/101905Burrbill.htmIt is a sad day for this nation when Congress is frightened and bullied into allowing one profit making industry to destroy the seventh Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing citizens their day in court in front of a jury of their peers," said Barbara Loe Fisher, president of NVIC. "This proposed legislation, like the power and money grab by federal health officials and industry in the Homeland Security Act of 2002 and the Project Bioshield Act of 2004, is an unconstitutional attempt by some in Congress to give a taxpayer-funded handout to pharmaceutical companies for drugs and vaccines the government can force all citizens to use while absolving everyone connected from any responsibility for injuries and deaths which occur. It means that, if an American is injured by an experimental flu or anthrax vaccine he or she is mandated to take, that citizen will be banned from exercising the Constitutional right to a jury trial even if it is revealed that the vaccine maker engaged in criminal fraud and negligence in the manufacture of the vaccine."
http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2005/Oct/04-506929.htmlBush also called on manufacturers around the world to work to produce a vaccine and to boost the supply of a spray that may help stop the spread of the disease.
It means that, if an American is injured by an experimental flu or anthrax vaccine he or she is mandated to take, that citizen will be banned from exercising the Constitutional right to a jury trial even if it is revealed that the vaccine maker engaged in criminal fraud and negligence in the manufacture of the vaccine.UtahBill said:It is a responsible government that takes action to limit the spread of disease, even if a few people die as a result.
I'd rather the 1918 flu wasen't recreated, and held in a level 3 lab at the U of Wisconsin.http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1585977,00.htmlOr would you rather have your entire family die of a disease because your child played with the kid next door whose parents never got him innoculated.
lligal testing of unproven antidotes on the public could kill many, and create even more carriers.Some people are carriers, they don't get sick themselves, but spread disease all over the place. Do their rights preclude the rights of everyone else?
You don't appear to think its that much of a gamble. Sounds like your pretty confident we don't need to be concerned about this.Life is a gamble, and a few of us are unlucky. That is the way it is. Nothing any of us can say or do will change that.
ngdawg said:While I believe in innoculating generally and indeed followed the recommended protocols when my children were small, forced governmental innoculations is scary and the fact that now a bill is going through that would basically remove responsibility from the drug manufacturers is scarier still. It conjurs up images of the worst of Fountainhead, Anthem, 1984, et al.....
/me shudders
I would be nervous about taking a vaccination, too, but I have two points...ngdawg said:What would be the protocol for an 'emergency'? Influenza has killed more people in the last century than car accidents in the same time frame...is there an outline for what constitutes this and what lines of authority it must go through before being a forced issue? I'm supposed to get flu shots because of a history of flu-related pneumonia, but reports of the shot making one as sick as the bug itself convinces me not to. The anthrax scare was literally in my back yard but I wasn't concerned of infection...and luckily, there was no 'law' in place that would have forced us to get innoculated.
I truly get the comparison to the seatbelt law, but when it comes to some pharmaceutical company whipping up some quick smallpox vaccine on the QT and then the government saying 'you MUST have this done NOW', I'm a bit more hesitant to that than I am to buckling up.
It seems to me that the big losers will be the parasites at 1-800-LAWYERS and those of that ilk.Bin Forgotton said:It means that, if an American is injured by an experimental flu or anthrax vaccine he or she is mandated to take, that citizen will be banned from exercising the Constitutional right to a jury trial
Do you work for the pharma industry? It always amazes me, that as citizens are having thier constitutional rights taken away, the applaud big goverment for doing so.Fantasea said:It seems to me that the big losers will be the parasites at 1-800-LAWYERS and those of that ilk.
Are you an ambulance chasing attorney? I am a citizen with rights as well, and I have a right to be protected from my nutjob neighbor who sees a conspiracy in everything and won't get her children innoculated.Bin Forgotton said:Do you work for the pharma industry? It always amazes me, that as citizens are having thier constitutional rights taken away, the applaud big goverment for doing so.
This threads not about the US occupation of Iraq.AlbqOwl said:Likewise when it comes to the 'rights' of terrorists over the 'rights' of the innocent to not be tortured, blown up, decapitated, raped, or mutilated. .
All large organizations are corrupt, some even plan to be on a daily basis, some get that way as they accumulate too much money and power, others are almost non-corrupt, but you can't trust all the employees to be perfectly honest all the time.Bin Forgotton said:Bush does advocate torture. Problem is, anyone will say anything you want under torture. Plenty of false confessions. And the small matter of it being against the Geneva Convention.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=246536
And as far as forced inoculation goes, if you all want be be sprayed, go stand outside. I don't . I do not trust the government. They have not earned my trust. New Orleans was a example. It wasn't bungled, it was planned. They have destroyed Posse Commiatus . I believe this bird flu thing is a hoax.
http://mercola.com/blog/2005/oct/19/rumsfeld_to_profit_from_avian_flu_hoax
Not that there won't be a pandemic of some type in time. Our goverment is so corrupt it reeks. And you honestly expect them to care about your welfare.
So why to many people want to forgive or look the other way over corruption,(its just always been that way)and at the same time practicly thank the corrupt goverment(fascist) for taking rights and freedoms from them?UtahBill said:All large organizations are corrupt, some even plan to be on a daily basis, some get that way as they accumulate too much money and power, others are almost non-corrupt, but you can't trust all the employees to be perfectly honest all the time.
Hmmm, England, with 4.5 million cameras in London?. We are Imperilist and hated in most the world. Our standard of living has been good here, but is declining. So our our rights and freedoms. Seems people will accept anything to be safe, but safe is not nessasarly free. You will see a FAST disappering of the middle class in the comming yrs (faster with "terriost" attacks). So we should be thinking of the country our children will be growing up in, not the country we once had. If your of the ilk that the US should just take whatever it needs from others to maintain our lifestyle , just say so, the debate will stop. But even with those Imperialst exploits, your lifestyle will not remain the same.If you think the USA government is corrupt, compare it to others and you will see we come out smelling pretty good. There are some smaller countries out there doing better than us, but what other LARGE country can compare to us?
Name just one, please.:smile:
Try telling that to the nearly fifty million victims of "legal" abortions whose lives were sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.Bin Forgotton said:Do you work for the pharma industry? It always amazes me, that as citizens are having thier constitutional rights taken away, the applaud big goverment for doing so.
Why? Selfishness is not discouraged enough. Selflessness is not encouraged enough. Our financial magazines place our super rich on pedestals and ask us to worship them. Result to that is many of us will do anything to get to the top, even tho there is seldom any happiness there. Power is a drug that I do not understand. A certain amount of money I do understand, but beyond a few million, what is the point? I am still working on my first, may even make it in 10 or 15 years if the real estate market keeps climbing. Hell, my house alone has more than doubled in only 11 years.Bin Forgotton said:So why to many people want to forgive or look the other way over corruption,(its just always been that way)and at the same time practicly thank the corrupt goverment(fascist) for taking rights and freedoms from them?
Hmmm, England, with 4.5 million cameras in London?. We are Imperilist and hated in most the world. Our standard of living has been good here, but is declining. So our our rights and freedoms. Seems people will accept anything to be safe, but safe is not nessasarly free. You will see a FAST disappering of the middle class in the comming yrs (faster with "terriost" attacks). So we should be thinking of the country our children will be growing up in, not the country we once had. If your of the ilk that the US should just take whatever it needs from others to maintain our lifestyle , just say so, the debate will stop. But even with those Imperialst exploits, your lifestyle will not remain the same.
Bin Forgotton said:Perhaps you just never knew. However, a couple of generations ago, a common sight in every neighborhood were kids wearing braces on their useless legs; victims of polio. Have you seen any lately?And as far as forced inoculation goes, if you all want be be sprayed, go stand outside. I don't . I do not trust the government. They have not earned my trust.
Most families could number, among their near relatives, a child who died from a disease that has since been eradicated
Small pox, formerly a world scourge which killed untold millions, are words unknown to most people.
I have no doubt that you, yourself, have been the beneficiary of forced innoculation in your early life.
Or, perhaps you're correct -- simply "bin forgotten".The Alabama and Mississippi coastal areas took a heavier blow from Katrina than did New Orleans. The reason that their toll in human losses was less is because the state and local governments ordered everyone out and enforced the order. Whe Katrina called there was no one home.New Orleans was a example. It wasn't bungled, it was planned.
On the other hand, although they could have easily been bussed out (remember all of those school busses that were drowned two days later when the levee failed) but the Mayor said they could stay if they wanted to and the Governor acquiesced. Nearly all of the deaths and injuries occurred during the height of the storm and were among those who didn't leave.Perhaps you don't understand the concept of 'posse commitatus'.They have destroyed Posse Commiatus .You are, of course free to believe as you wish. You are not obliged to be correct.I believe this bird flu thing is a hoax.
http://mercola.com/blog/2005/oct/19/rumsfeld_to_profit_from_avian_flu_hoax
Not that there won't be a pandemic of some type in time.The governors of Alabama and Mississippi are Republicans; the Governor or Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans are Democrats. Think about that when you complain about Katrina.Our goverment is so corrupt it reeks. And you honestly expect them to care about your welfare.
As an aside; just this morning, I heard an interesting discussion by Lt. Gen. Steven Blum who is the commander of all National Guard forces, country wide. He noted that although the area blasted by Katrina is the size of Great Britain, the media concentrates its coverage as if viewed through a straw, focussing not on a state, not on a city, but focussing solely on a small neighborhood.
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