volsohard54
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You wanted to "steal state money?" You're not a Christian.
I'm saying that I do NOT want to steal state money i.e. that is not at all a motivation for going on this trip
I'm saying that I do NOT want to steal state money i.e. that is not at all a motivation for going on this trip
I am a college student at a large public university. I wanted to do a missions-type international internship instead of a more traditional study abroad program. I was recently told I cannot do this for 3 reasons:
1. I would not be able to receive internship or study abroad credit because I am with a religiously-affiliated organization.
2. Most people on scholarship like I am get to use their scholarship money towards the study abroad instead of here at school. I won't be able to.
3. I will be missing a required Sophomore class. I was told early on this would not be a problem (I could take it as a Junior) but since it is a religious trip I cannot.
The internship program I am looking at is here: Internships | We Are Envision
If this decision holds, I will not be able to have this study abroad experience because it is Christian. I did not pursue this because I wanted to steal state money for my own religion, and I would not be opposed to a student of another religion receiving the same support, but maybe some people would. I would like to fight this because I really want to go on this trip but I want to see if there is any legal support first.
Opinions and views on both sides are appreciated, especially with legal/constitutional details and support.
It's discrimination. It's wrong. You are providing a great humanitarian service and it should be recognized.
I've never understood why anyone would think a missions trip is a good idea. According to most christians, if you've never heard the word of god, ie: never been given the choice, you won't be going to hell. So if you enter a village of 100 people, you've damned most of them to hell because you won't be able to convert all of them, while prior they wouldn't have been held accountable.
According to most Christians? Wow, that's just false actually.
While I agree that is false, I'm just focused on the legal aspects of the trip. I do feel that if everything was the exact same about this trip (including some form of "indoctrination" which I don't think is a true description) except for the Christian element then there would be no problem. Also, while I don't agree with it, I can understand the financial argument. I am surprised though that this is still not considered a "valid" study abroad (reasons 1 and 2). I really want to know if there are any parallel circumstances that have gone one way or another?
Unless you're a calvanist, then yes you have to believe that. Otherwise you're believing that god put people on an isolated island to live and die without the opportunity to hear about christ, then condemns them to hell for it.You'd have to believe that he creates people specifically for hell.According to most Christians? Wow, that's just false actually.
Unless you're a calvanist, then yes you have to believe that. Otherwise you're believing that god put people on an isolated island to live and die without the opportunity to hear about christ, then condemns them to hell for it.You'd have to believe that he creates people specifically for hell.
No Romans refutes that theory actually.
I am a college student at a large public university. I wanted to do a missions-type international internship instead of a more traditional study abroad program. I was recently told I cannot do this for 3 reasons:
1. I would not be able to receive internship or study abroad credit because I am with a religiously-affiliated organization.
2. Most people on scholarship like I am get to use their scholarship money towards the study abroad instead of here at school. I won't be able to.
3. I will be missing a required Sophomore class. I was told early on this would not be a problem (I could take it as a Junior) but since it is a religious trip I cannot.
The internship program I am looking at is here: Internships | We Are Envision
If this decision holds, I will not be able to have this study abroad experience because it is Christian. I did not pursue this because I wanted to steal state money for my own religion, and I would not be opposed to a student of another religion receiving the same support, but maybe some people would. I would like to fight this because I really want to go on this trip but I want to see if there is any legal support first.
Opinions and views on both sides are appreciated, especially with legal/constitutional details and support.
No Romans refutes that theory actually.
While I agree that is false, I'm just focused on the legal aspects of the trip. I do feel that if everything was the exact same about this trip (including some form of "indoctrination" which I don't think is a true description) except for the Christian element then there would be no problem. Also, while I don't agree with it, I can understand the financial argument. I am surprised though that this is still not considered a "valid" study abroad (reasons 1 and 2). I really want to know if there are any parallel circumstances that have gone one way or another?
It's not false. Take an isolated island of 100 natives. Do you believe they go to hell for never having the opportunity to hear the word of god or not? You're either a sadistic calvinist that believes they go to hell regardless, or you believe that they only will when they are given a choice. Most christians fall in the latter, so why give them the choice?
"13Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. 14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” - Romans 10:13-15
I would love to get into this theological discussion with you, but am more concerned with the strictly legal question. I found this Supreme Court Case on wikipedia (not 100% trustworthy I know). The case is Zelman v Simmons-Harris. It is about a school voucher program, which is different than a scholarship program but maybe similar. Here is a quote from the majority opinion: "The incidental advancement of a religious mission, or the perceived endorsement of a religious message, is reasonably attributable to the individual aid recipients not the government, whose role ends with the disbursement of benefits."
I am a college student at a large public university. I wanted to do a missions-type international internship instead of a more traditional study abroad program. I was recently told I cannot do this for 3 reasons:
1. I would not be able to receive internship or study abroad credit because I am with a religiously-affiliated organization.
2. Most people on scholarship like I am get to use their scholarship money towards the study abroad instead of here at school. I won't be able to.
3. I will be missing a required Sophomore class. I was told early on this would not be a problem (I could take it as a Junior) but since it is a religious trip I cannot.
The internship program I am looking at is here: Internships | We Are Envision
If this decision holds, I will not be able to have this study abroad experience because it is Christian. I did not pursue this because I wanted to steal state money for my own religion, and I would not be opposed to a student of another religion receiving the same support, but maybe some people would. I would like to fight this because I really want to go on this trip but I want to see if there is any legal support first.
Opinions and views on both sides are appreciated, especially with legal/constitutional details and support.
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