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I saw this earlier. 22 weeks. Wow.
What's that do to the discussion re: abortion?
I saw this earlier. 22 weeks. Wow.
What's that do to the discussion re: abortion?
You know NP if you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one. Just stop telling people what they can or cannot do. Abortion is legal in all 50 states and always will be no matter how much fear mongering, god card playing and one in a zillion oddities like this child.That baby was delivered in the second trimester and a lot of our left wing friends advocate abortion in the second trimester........
Abortion is legal in all 50 states and always will be no matter how much fear mongering, god card playing and one in a zillion oddities like this child.
22 weeks is a week beyond the establishment of personhood by biological structure argument (i.e. the thalamus connecting to the cortex). Whether this baby (who was obviously wanted and cherished by a family) survived premature or not makes no difference in determining early abortion rights for women who find themselves in an unwanted pregnancy
You want to the law? You want states to decide? Fine, have your favorite representative propose an amendment to the Constitution for that is the only way to make abortion un-constitutional.
You need 34 states to approve the amendment....good luck
I disagree because people "on the left" as you put it, like me for example, believe that the individual woman gets to decide what to do with whatever is growing inside her body. That is not the same thing as condoning abortion. I would bet you that most Americans would decide not to have an abortion but that too is very different from believing that a person does not have the right to choose.A couple of points.
Even at 1 week, this child had all the characteristics of a living being.
As soon as the egg was fertilized it was genetically human. (the egg and sperm each have only 1/2 the genetic material)
So long before this 22 week point this baby was a living human.
And AFTER this 22 week point this baby was just that..... a baby.
It wasn't some sort of 'blob' of cells.
It was a baby.
And there are more than just a few on the left who think it should be just fine to have an abortion up to the day of birth.
They can't argue that it is some 'blob'.
It is a baby.
I disagree because people "on the left" as you put it, like me for example, believe that the individual woman gets to decide what to do with whatever is growing inside her body. That is not the same thing as condoning abortion. I would bet you that most Americans would decide not to have an abortion but that too is very different from believing that a person does not have the right to choose.
With all due respect you're using harsh right wing talking points that are not supported by facts.You might not.....
But as I said before, more than just a few on the left think it is just FINE to have an abortion right up to the day of birth.
They think it is just fine to kill a living being.... a human.... a baby.
I don't recall who it was on the left but they felt that IF while attempting a PBA the baby was actually delivered alive that it should be up to the mother if that ACTUALLY BORN baby should be killed or not.
The term was first coined by the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) in 1995 to describe a recently introduced medical procedure to remove fetuses from the womb. Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal.
Source: NPR : 'Partial-Birth Abortion:' Separating Fact from SpinAccording to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, an abortion-rights research group that conducts surveys of the nation's abortion doctors, about 15,000 abortions were performed in the year 2000 on women 20 weeks or more along in their pregnancies; the vast majority were between the 20th and 24th week. Of those, only about 2,200 D&X abortions were performed, or about 0.2 percent of the 1.3 million abortions believed to be performed that year.
This is far too simplistic for the pro-abortion crowd to understand.A couple of points.
Even at 1 week, this child had all the characteristics of a living being.
As soon as the egg was fertilized it was genetically human. (the egg and sperm each have only 1/2 the genetic material)
So long before this 22 week point this baby was a living human.
A couple of points.
Even at 1 week, this child had all the characteristics of a living being.
As soon as the egg was fertilized it was genetically human. (the egg and sperm each have only 1/2 the genetic material)
So long before this 22 week point this baby was a living human.
And AFTER this 22 week point this baby was just that..... a baby.
It wasn't some sort of 'blob' of cells.
It was a baby.
And there are more than just a few on the left who think it should be just fine to have an abortion up to the day of birth.
They can't argue that it is some 'blob'.
It is a baby.
Hmmmmm.....
Can you tell me where in The US Constitution the Right to have an abortion is listed?
As far as I know it isn't in there.
I know....
I know....
The Courts have said it is a Right but I have never found where that Right is listed.
This is far too simplistic for the pro-abortion crowd to understand.
They dont see "human life" as the defining issue;
instead they prefer to argue that "personhood" -- a term they define as necessary to suit their needs -- is what's relevant.
Its rather convenient when the killers decide who its OK to kill.
Yep. I'd like to see them try to put another conservative prolife justice on the Supreme Court now.
I truly would. It would be amusing, to see that.
We don't have to.....We may have enough on the court now.........
So? All that means is that in another 50 years, the court will be stacked differently and any unconstitutional nonsense will be overturned by its rival ideology.
Sure there is. Your stance is abortions should be legal and with only the most minimal restrictions, if any at all. You are 'pro-abortion', just as someone arguing the same position regarding firearms is called 'pro-gun'.Lie #1-- there is no pro-abortion stance.
And the human life inside the mother is willfully ignored, because the pro-abortion crowd doesnt want have to have to deal with the idea of taking an innocent human life.Lie #2 -- The mother's life is human and is the defining issue. Just more dishonest pro-life hysteria.
Um.. what did I say?Lie #3 -- Personhood is defined clearly in the dictionary. The pro-
choice camp doesn't have to define it as anything as it already is:
You mean that which makes up your post in its entirety? You're right.I don't think I have seen any better example of dishonest, hysterical hyperbole.
Sure there is. Your stance is abortions should be legal and with only the most minimal restrictions, if any at all. You are 'pro-abortion', just as someone arguing the same position regarding firearms is called 'pro-gun'.
Though, to be fair, those pro-gun peopele that DO hold that 'guns should be legal and with only the most minimal restrictions, if any at all' are usually called 'gun nuts' -- and so I think i'll just use the term 'abortion nut' from this point on.
And the human life inside the mother is willfully ignored, because the pro-abortion crowd doesnt want have to have to deal with the idea of taking an innocent human life.
Um.. what did I say?
instead they prefer to argue that "personhood" -- a term they define as necessary to suit their needs -- is what's relevant.
And what are you doing? Arguing that "personhood" -- a term you define as necessary to suit your needs -- is what's relevant.
In any case - define "person" and then compare and contrast that definition to that of "human life" -- then tell me why its Ok to take a 'human life' but not a
person'.
So the decision as to when to end a life is based off of if that life is "WANTED" or not? I guess those unwanted children are fair game to be killed.This kid was WANTED. People who have abortions for the most part do not want to have a child so they make a very personal decision one that is none of your or anyone else's business.
Being in the minority does not make one wrong. 100 years ago, the majority thought it was okay to discriminate based on skin color. 150 years ago, the majority thought women should not be allowed to vote. 200 years ago, the majority thought owning slaves was acceptable. Being in the minority does not make one wrong nor does it make the fight not worth fighting.You want to the law? You want states to decide? Fine, have your favorite representative propose an amendment to the Constitution for that is the only way to make abortion un-constitutional.
You need 34 states to approve the amendment....good luck!
This is for all you pro abortion/choice people......A woman has given birth to a baby in less then 22 weeks and it has survived.........
'Miracle baby'*homecoming delayed - CNN.com
MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- A premature baby who doctors said spent less time in the womb than any other surviving infant will remain in a hospital a few extra days as a precaution, officials said Tuesday.
Amillia Sonja Taylor, born October 24 after just under 22 weeks in the womb, had been expected to be sent home Tuesday.
Is this enough to push "viability" back to 22 weeks?
Really. Then what's your stance, and how does that stance disqualify you from being labeled an abortion nuit?First of all, you have made the idiotic ASSumption that this is *my* stance. Now you get to chew on that foot you just stuck in your mouth. Enjoy, sport.
Thats what all the abortion nuts say.Second, the stance you are referring to is that the choice over what happens to a womans body should be hers alone. It is her choice, therefore the stance is appropriately called pro-choice.
Well, given that your position is that it shoudl be OK to take certain human lives at will, obviosuly an Anti-American idea, clearly this covers you, too. :mrgreen:And likewise, those who wish to strip people of rights and privacy, to enforce and punish through theft of resources are typically called Anti-American -- and so I think I will just use the term Anti-American from this point on.
When have I ever claimed that even remotely resemble such a thing?If you are a "good Christian man", then you should know that no life is innocent. Just thought I would throw that out there and watch you spin around looking for a corner in a round room.
Really?Human life has nothing to do with personhood and right to life. At least that is what the Supreme Court decided.
Well, if you wont admit that you did indeed just argue that "personhood" rather than "human life" is what's relevant -- just as I said you would, and just as you indeed did - then clearly you arent willing and/or capable of having an intellectually honest discussion.A bunch of hysterical babbling, but that's nothing new.
And yet, you just did. :mrgreen:I don't have to argue a term necessary to suit my needs. Justice Blackmun already did it for me.
Lesse:That's easy because it's been done a dozen times or more, johnny come lately.
Really. Describe that difference, given that two of them -clearly- suppot my contention, and that the only one that supports yours is, at best, subjective (just like I said it was).To any person with half a brain cell still firing, the difference is more than clear.
Whatever allows you abortion nuts need to sleep at night, I guess...However, I won't be surprised if I have to further cater to your hysterics and dispel more of the typical pro-life dishonesty. :doh
Is this enough to push "viability" back to 22 weeks?
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