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'Miracle baby' homecoming delayed

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This is for all you pro abortion/choice people......A woman has given birth to a baby in less then 22 weeks and it has survived.........

'Miracle baby' homecoming delayed - CNN.com


MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- A premature baby who doctors said spent less time in the womb than any other surviving infant will remain in a hospital a few extra days as a precaution, officials said Tuesday.

Amillia Sonja Taylor, born October 24 after just under 22 weeks in the womb, had been expected to be sent home Tuesday.
 
I saw this earlier. 22 weeks. Wow.

What's that do to the discussion re: abortion?
 
I saw this earlier. 22 weeks. Wow.

What's that do to the discussion re: abortion?

Absolutely nothing except to point out that if the article was correct, doughgirl has been lying for some time about her "miracle premature baby". 22 weeks is a week beyond the establishment of personhood by biological structure argument (i.e. the thalamus connecting to the cortex). Whether this baby (who was obviously wanted and cherished by a family) survived premature or not makes no difference in determining early abortion rights for women who find themselves in an unwanted pregnancy.
 
I saw this earlier. 22 weeks. Wow.

What's that do to the discussion re: abortion?

That baby was delivered in the second trimester and a lot of our left wing friends advocate abortion in the second trimester........
 
That baby was delivered in the second trimester and a lot of our left wing friends advocate abortion in the second trimester........
You know NP if you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one. Just stop telling people what they can or cannot do. Abortion is legal in all 50 states and always will be no matter how much fear mongering, god card playing and one in a zillion oddities like this child.

This kid was WANTED. People who have abortions for the most part do not want to have a child so they make a very personal decision one that is none of your or anyone else's business.

You want to the law? You want states to decide? Fine, have your favorite representative propose an amendment to the Constitution for that is the only way to make abortion un-constitutional.

You need 34 states to approve the amendment....good luck!
 
Abortion is legal in all 50 states and always will be no matter how much fear mongering, god card playing and one in a zillion oddities like this child.


Yep. I'd like to see them try to put another conservative prolife justice on the Supreme Court now.
I truly would. It would be amusing, to see that.
 
22 weeks is a week beyond the establishment of personhood by biological structure argument (i.e. the thalamus connecting to the cortex). Whether this baby (who was obviously wanted and cherished by a family) survived premature or not makes no difference in determining early abortion rights for women who find themselves in an unwanted pregnancy

A couple of points.

Even at 1 week, this child had all the characteristics of a living being.

As soon as the egg was fertilized it was genetically human. (the egg and sperm each have only 1/2 the genetic material)

So long before this 22 week point this baby was a living human.

And AFTER this 22 week point this baby was just that..... a baby.

It wasn't some sort of 'blob' of cells.

It was a baby.

And there are more than just a few on the left who think it should be just fine to have an abortion up to the day of birth.

They can't argue that it is some 'blob'.

It is a baby.
 
You want to the law? You want states to decide? Fine, have your favorite representative propose an amendment to the Constitution for that is the only way to make abortion un-constitutional.

You need 34 states to approve the amendment....good luck

Hmmmmm.....

Can you tell me where in The US Constitution the Right to have an abortion is listed?

As far as I know it isn't in there.

I know....

I know....

The Courts have said it is a Right but I have never found where that Right is listed.
 
A couple of points.

Even at 1 week, this child had all the characteristics of a living being.

As soon as the egg was fertilized it was genetically human. (the egg and sperm each have only 1/2 the genetic material)

So long before this 22 week point this baby was a living human.

And AFTER this 22 week point this baby was just that..... a baby.

It wasn't some sort of 'blob' of cells.

It was a baby.

And there are more than just a few on the left who think it should be just fine to have an abortion up to the day of birth.

They can't argue that it is some 'blob'.

It is a baby.
I disagree because people "on the left" as you put it, like me for example, believe that the individual woman gets to decide what to do with whatever is growing inside her body. That is not the same thing as condoning abortion. I would bet you that most Americans would decide not to have an abortion but that too is very different from believing that a person does not have the right to choose.
 
I disagree because people "on the left" as you put it, like me for example, believe that the individual woman gets to decide what to do with whatever is growing inside her body. That is not the same thing as condoning abortion. I would bet you that most Americans would decide not to have an abortion but that too is very different from believing that a person does not have the right to choose.

You might not.....

But as I said before, more than just a few on the left think it is just FINE to have an abortion right up to the day of birth.

They think it is just fine to kill a living being.... a human.... a baby.

I don't recall who it was on the left but they felt that IF while attempting a PBA the baby was actually delivered alive that it should be up to the mother if that ACTUALLY BORN baby should be killed or not.
 
You might not.....

But as I said before, more than just a few on the left think it is just FINE to have an abortion right up to the day of birth.

They think it is just fine to kill a living being.... a human.... a baby.

I don't recall who it was on the left but they felt that IF while attempting a PBA the baby was actually delivered alive that it should be up to the mother if that ACTUALLY BORN baby should be killed or not.
With all due respect you're using harsh right wing talking points that are not supported by facts.

Partial Birth Abortions if done (less than 1% of abortions are PBA) are by a huge majority done in the 4th or 5th month, not in the third trimester as your post implies.

Long-standing, unchallenged statutes in 40 states and the District of Columbia prohibit third-trimester abortions except when the life or health of the woman is at stake.

Some facts:

The term was first coined by the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) in 1995 to describe a recently introduced medical procedure to remove fetuses from the womb. Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal.
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, an abortion-rights research group that conducts surveys of the nation's abortion doctors, about 15,000 abortions were performed in the year 2000 on women 20 weeks or more along in their pregnancies; the vast majority were between the 20th and 24th week. Of those, only about 2,200 D&X abortions were performed, or about 0.2 percent of the 1.3 million abortions believed to be performed that year.
Source: NPR : 'Partial-Birth Abortion:' Separating Fact from Spin

Therefore posts such as yours come across to me as hysterical, meant to mislead people regarding the facts regarding abortions, a common tactic of the anti-abortion sect.
 
A couple of points.

Even at 1 week, this child had all the characteristics of a living being.

As soon as the egg was fertilized it was genetically human. (the egg and sperm each have only 1/2 the genetic material)

So long before this 22 week point this baby was a living human.
This is far too simplistic for the pro-abortion crowd to understand.

They dont see "human life" as the defining issue; instead they prefer to argue that "personhood" -- a term they define as necessary to suit their needs -- is what's relevant.

Its rather convenient when the killers decide who its OK to kill.
 
A couple of points.

Even at 1 week, this child had all the characteristics of a living being.

So does any other human cell. Alright!!! Let's save every skin and cheek cell from death :roll:

As soon as the egg was fertilized it was genetically human. (the egg and sperm each have only 1/2 the genetic material)

Any other human cell is genetically human too. Your point?

So long before this 22 week point this baby was a living human.

No, it was not. It was not an individual entity. It had no cognition, it had no individuality. It was definitely genetic human material in the shape of a human baby, but it had none of the hallmark qualities that make it "human".

And AFTER this 22 week point this baby was just that..... a baby.

Absolutely.

It wasn't some sort of 'blob' of cells.

It was a baby.

No argument there.

And there are more than just a few on the left who think it should be just fine to have an abortion up to the day of birth.

You might need to prove that to me. I think that your assertion of "right up to the day of birth" might be just a bit hysterical and untrue.

They can't argue that it is some 'blob'.

They can argue that, but their intellectual honesty will be on the line for it. :mrgreen:

It is a baby.

Yes, yes...we know, we know. If you can repeat "baby" as many times as possible in a single post, the emotions will negate any other fact. Baby, baby, baby.
 
Hmmmmm.....

Can you tell me where in The US Constitution the Right to have an abortion is listed?

As far as I know it isn't in there.

I know....

I know....

The Courts have said it is a Right but I have never found where that Right is listed.

Can you show me specifically where in the constitution you have a right to get married? Didn't think so, but we aren't doing away with that right, now are we? :doh
 
This is far too simplistic for the pro-abortion crowd to understand.

Lie #1-- there is no pro-abortion stance. There is a pro-choice stance because the central issue is about a woman's right to choose. Just more dishonest pro-life hysterics.

They dont see "human life" as the defining issue;

Lie #2 -- The mother's life is human and is the defining issue. Just more dishonest pro-life hysteria.

instead they prefer to argue that "personhood" -- a term they define as necessary to suit their needs -- is what's relevant.

Lie #3 -- Personhood is defined clearly in the dictionary. The pro-choice camp doesn't have to define it as anything as it already is:

Personhood
n.

The state or condition of being a person, especially having those qualities that confer distinct individuality

This is the most persistent pro-life lie...the need to eliminate anything except the most grossly simplistic point of individuality: the dna. I for one know that I am more than the DNA that is in my cells.

Its rather convenient when the killers decide who its OK to kill.

I don't think I have seen any better example of dishonest, hysterical hyperbole.
 
Yep. I'd like to see them try to put another conservative prolife justice on the Supreme Court now.
I truly would. It would be amusing, to see that.

We don't have to.....We may have enough on the court now.........
 
We don't have to.....We may have enough on the court now.........

So? All that means is that in another 50 years, the court will be stacked differently and any unconstitutional nonsense will be overturned by its rival ideology.
 
So? All that means is that in another 50 years, the court will be stacked differently and any unconstitutional nonsense will be overturned by its rival ideology.


I think what it means is Roe V Wade will be overturned as bad law and the issue of abortion will return to the states where it belongs...........

I truly believe that abortion for convenience or as a means of birth control should be eliminated..........
 
Lie #1-- there is no pro-abortion stance.
Sure there is. Your stance is abortions should be legal and with only the most minimal restrictions, if any at all. You are 'pro-abortion', just as someone arguing the same position regarding firearms is called 'pro-gun'.

Though, to be fair, those pro-gun peopele that DO hold that 'guns should be legal and with only the most minimal restrictions, if any at all' are usually called 'gun nuts' -- and so I think i'll just use the term 'abortion nut' from this point on.

Lie #2 -- The mother's life is human and is the defining issue. Just more dishonest pro-life hysteria.
And the human life inside the mother is willfully ignored, because the pro-abortion crowd doesnt want have to have to deal with the idea of taking an innocent human life.

Lie #3 -- Personhood is defined clearly in the dictionary. The pro-
choice camp doesn't have to define it as anything as it already is:
Um.. what did I say?

instead they prefer to argue that "personhood" -- a term they define as necessary to suit their needs -- is what's relevant.

And what are you doing? Arguing that "personhood" -- a term you define as necessary to suit your needs -- is what's relevant.

In any case - define "person" and then compare and contrast that definition to that of "human life" -- then tell me why its Ok to take a 'human life' but not a
person'.

I don't think I have seen any better example of dishonest, hysterical hyperbole.
You mean that which makes up your post in its entirety? You're right.
 
Sure there is. Your stance is abortions should be legal and with only the most minimal restrictions, if any at all. You are 'pro-abortion', just as someone arguing the same position regarding firearms is called 'pro-gun'.

First of all, you have made the idiotic ASSumption that this is *my* stance. Now you get to chew on that foot you just stuck in your mouth. Enjoy, sport.

Second, the stance you are referring to is that the choice over what happens to a womans body should be hers alone. It is her choice, therefore the stance is appropriately called pro-choice.

Though, to be fair, those pro-gun peopele that DO hold that 'guns should be legal and with only the most minimal restrictions, if any at all' are usually called 'gun nuts' -- and so I think i'll just use the term 'abortion nut' from this point on.

And likewise, those who wish to strip people of rights and privacy, to enforce and punish through theft of resources are typically called Anti-American -- and so I think I will just use the term Anti-American from this point on. :mrgreen:

And the human life inside the mother is willfully ignored, because the pro-abortion crowd doesnt want have to have to deal with the idea of taking an innocent human life.

If you are a "good Christian man", then you should know that no life is innocent. Just thought I would throw that out there and watch you spin around looking for a corner in a round room. :lol:

Human life has nothing to do with personhood and right to life. At least that is what the Supreme Court decided. :mrgreen:

Um.. what did I say?

A bunch of hysterical babbling, but that's nothing new.

instead they prefer to argue that "personhood" -- a term they define as necessary to suit their needs -- is what's relevant.

And what are you doing? Arguing that "personhood" -- a term you define as necessary to suit your needs -- is what's relevant.

I don't have to argue a term necessary to suit my needs. Justice Blackmun already did it for me. :mrgreen:

In any case - define "person" and then compare and contrast that definition to that of "human life" -- then tell me why its Ok to take a 'human life' but not a
person'.

That's easy because it's been done a dozen times or more, johnny come lately.

Person

1. A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson; spokesperson; salesperson.
2. An individual of specified character: a person of importance.
3. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
4. The living body of a human: searched the prisoner's person.
5. Physique and general appearance.
6. Law A human or organization with legal rights and duties.
7. Christianity Any of the three separate individualities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as distinguished from the essence of the Godhead that unites them.
8. Grammar
a. Any of three groups of pronoun forms with corresponding verb inflections that distinguish the speaker (first person), the individual addressed (second person), and the individual or thing spoken of (third person).
b. Any of the different forms or inflections expressing these distinctions.
9. A character or role, as in a play; a guise: "Well, in her person, I say I will not have you" Shakespeare.
You mean that which makes up your post in its entirety? You're right.[/QUOTE]

As opposed to human beingwhich simply state:

n.
A human.

To any person with half a brain cell still firing, the difference is more than clear. However, I won't be surprised if I have to further cater to your hysterics and dispel more of the typical pro-life dishonesty. :doh
 
This kid was WANTED. People who have abortions for the most part do not want to have a child so they make a very personal decision one that is none of your or anyone else's business.
So the decision as to when to end a life is based off of if that life is "WANTED" or not? I guess those unwanted children are fair game to be killed.

You want to the law? You want states to decide? Fine, have your favorite representative propose an amendment to the Constitution for that is the only way to make abortion un-constitutional.

You need 34 states to approve the amendment....good luck!
Being in the minority does not make one wrong. 100 years ago, the majority thought it was okay to discriminate based on skin color. 150 years ago, the majority thought women should not be allowed to vote. 200 years ago, the majority thought owning slaves was acceptable. Being in the minority does not make one wrong nor does it make the fight not worth fighting.
 
This is for all you pro abortion/choice people......A woman has given birth to a baby in less then 22 weeks and it has survived.........

'Miracle baby'*homecoming delayed - CNN.com


MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- A premature baby who doctors said spent less time in the womb than any other surviving infant will remain in a hospital a few extra days as a precaution, officials said Tuesday.

Amillia Sonja Taylor, born October 24 after just under 22 weeks in the womb, had been expected to be sent home Tuesday.

Is this enough to push "viability" back to 22 weeks?
 
First of all, you have made the idiotic ASSumption that this is *my* stance. Now you get to chew on that foot you just stuck in your mouth. Enjoy, sport.
Really. Then what's your stance, and how does that stance disqualify you from being labeled an abortion nuit?

Second, the stance you are referring to is that the choice over what happens to a womans body should be hers alone. It is her choice, therefore the stance is appropriately called pro-choice.
Thats what all the abortion nuts say.
They cant even admit it to themselves that they are abortions nuts -- that's pretty sad, don't you think?

And likewise, those who wish to strip people of rights and privacy, to enforce and punish through theft of resources are typically called Anti-American -- and so I think I will just use the term Anti-American from this point on.
Well, given that your position is that it shoudl be OK to take certain human lives at will, obviosuly an Anti-American idea, clearly this covers you, too. :mrgreen:

If you are a "good Christian man", then you should know that no life is innocent. Just thought I would throw that out there and watch you spin around looking for a corner in a round room.
When have I ever claimed that even remotely resemble such a thing?
Whoops -- I haven't.
Now you get to chew on that foot you just stuck in your mouth. Enjoy, sport. :lol:

Human life has nothing to do with personhood and right to life. At least that is what the Supreme Court decided.
Really?
Dead dogs can be "people".
When did the SCotUS decide that? :mrgreen:
And how referring to a SCotUS decision anything other than an appeal to authority -- that is, how does the fact that the court said it make it a sound position?

A bunch of hysterical babbling, but that's nothing new.
Well, if you wont admit that you did indeed just argue that "personhood" rather than "human life" is what's relevant -- just as I said you would, and just as you indeed did - then clearly you arent willing and/or capable of having an intellectually honest discussion.

I don't have to argue a term necessary to suit my needs. Justice Blackmun already did it for me.
And yet, you just did. :mrgreen:

That's easy because it's been done a dozen times or more, johnny come lately.
Lesse:
Of the relevant definitions, defintion you supplied, we have:
1. A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson; spokesperson; salesperson.
Living human - a human life.

4. The living body of a human:
Living human - a human life

3. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
Isn't this rather broad and subjective subjective, based on any number of things?

What was your point again?

To any person with half a brain cell still firing, the difference is more than clear.
Really. Describe that difference, given that two of them -clearly- suppot my contention, and that the only one that supports yours is, at best, subjective (just like I said it was).

However, I won't be surprised if I have to further cater to your hysterics and dispel more of the typical pro-life dishonesty. :doh
Whatever allows you abortion nuts need to sleep at night, I guess...
 
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