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No one suggests we should never worry about paying for things. Nor do I see what is being done as grown up. When you do things without seeking to find the best answers, to protect what matters most, whioe still be fiscally responsible, you are not being the grown up.
Not asking that they fix communities. I'm asking of you can expect the same results. No one suggests they shouldn't know their subject matter or not try to pass that knowledge on. Wouodln't it be better to address what I actually asked?
Do you have a study that shows that children of engaged parents do better in school then parents not so engaged?
It is common sense that parents that are engaged will tend to have kids that do better in school. It is also common sense that parents that are engaged are much more likely then unengaged parents to take the time and effort to sign their kids up for a charter school. Common sense can lead you wrong at times, but i'd be interested in seeing the study that you have.
FEW cliches permeate our culture more thoroughly than that of the underpaid schoolteacher. In fact, many people would say that if they know anything about public schools it is that teachers deserve far more money than they actually get.
But the idea that teachers are underpaid is a myth. When we discard our presuppositions and look at the evidence, it turns out that teachers actually are better paid than many people realize.
As of 2002, the average salary for teachers nationwide was about $44,600. That does seem modest. But we need account for the relatively few hours that teachers actually spend working compared to other professionals.
That is, a teacher who earns $45,000 to work for nine months is clearly better paid than a nurse who gets the same salary for working 12 months.
Since teachers' work schedule distorts direct salary comparisons with other jobs, we need to look at hourly pay.
According to the U.S. Department of Labor, the average public elementary school teacher in the United States earns about $30.75 an hour. The average hourly pay of other public-service employees - such as firefighters ($17.91) or police officers ($22.64) - pales in comparison.
Indeed, teachers' hourly rate exceeds even those in professions that require far more training and expertise. Compare the schoolteacher's $30.75 to the average biologist's $28.07 an hour - or the mechanical engineer's $29.76 or the chemist's $30.68.
Whose hourly pay is competitive with that of teachers? Computer scientists ($32.86), dentists ($35.51) and even nuclear engineers ($36.16).
Note, too, that these hourly figures exclude benefits, such as health coverage and retirement accounts, which are typically more generous for government employeas teachers, than for private-sector workers.
But don't teachers spend a great deal of time grading papers and creating lesson plans while away from school? Some do - but the comparisons here are still fair - because other professionals do work away from the office, too. Engineers and computer scientists are certainly no strangers to long nights working at home.
Nor do teachers spend all of their time at school in the classroom. In fact, teachers spend fewer hours actually instructing students than many recognize. Stanford's Terry Moe worked with data straight from the nation's largest teacher union's own data - and found that the average teacher in a department setting (that is, where students have different teachers for different subjects) was in the classroom for fewer than 3.9 hours out of the 7.3 hours at school each day.
The myth that teachers are underpaid is a significant hurdle to educational reform because it helps prop up the falsehood that schools in general are underfunded. In fact, taxpayers spend more money on public K-12 schools than they do on national defense, even more than the Gross Domestic Product of Russia.
Yet, despite this generous investment, student outcomes as measured by standardized tests and graduation rates have been stagnant since the Ford administration.
Just a few more facts for the left to dispute .. and try an reason away ..
in my district, northern california, east bay, we high school teachers get exactly ONE HUNDRED MINUTES of prep per day
if we were to return to the fifty minutes every other teacher in our district gets, we would NOT be laying off so many outstanding young teachers like mrs c***** and ms r*****, two of my best friends, two exciting young educators whom, both of them, i have come to depend on
the block schedules we use see hi school teachers either starting our classroom day at 10:49, ending at 1:12, or having a fat two hour break in the middle of our day
look into it---block scheduling
i gently told our union last year that we should go back to a prep every other day---y'know, to save the mrs c's and ms r's around us
you can imagine the reaction of the order
as it is, mrs c will probably return but ms r probably won't
who's gonna enter my test scores into datawise?
oh well, ms j****, our local rep, NEVER enters hers
i could always just go that route, what can they do to me
stay up, students
Ok, I found it. this was written by Jay P. Greene as an op-ed for the New York Post in 2005. I tried to find if he cited any good sources for his information, but I really couldn't. I think he draws erroneous conclusions from limited data. I also didn't see any background in education.
I couldn't get to the original posting of the column since it is so old, but it has been re-posted at the Manhattan Institute which is a conservative think tank.
Frankly, I'm not impressed.
I'm not here to impress you .. but for those folks that would like to read up on Jay P. Greene ... I think you will find he is well versed in this subject .. Jay P. Greene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's not easy to do that. My son was diagnosed with a speech disorder and I spent two years working with him to get him into regular classes- but it can be done. The SE teachers told me not to expect fast results then they were amazed that he improved so quickly. It is possible but it takes a lot of sacrifices on the parents. If two parents have to work all the time- it is a lot harder than one would think, especially if they are just working to pay the bills and can't afford special services above and beyond what the schools offer.
We have to take a lot into consideration before judging anyone.
...and is causing the inevitable demise of freedom in our nation today. Those three things represent the roots of our destruction. They are weeds in Liberty's Garden. They should be pulled and tossed on the ash heap of history.
Our real debt problems didn't begin until the progressive tax system was slashed
The federal government's financial condition deteriorated rapidly last year, far beyond the $1.5 trillion in new debt taken on to finance the budget deficit, a USA TODAY analysis shows.
The government added $5.3 trillion in new financial obligations in 2010, largely for retirement programs such as Medicare and Social Security. That brings to a record $61.6 trillion the total of financial promises not paid for.
Medicare alone took on $1.8 trillion in new liabilities, more than the record deficit prompting heated debate between Congress and the White House over lifting the debt ceiling.
Social Security added $1.4 trillion in obligations, partly reflecting longer life expectancies. Federal and military retirement programs added more to the financial hole, too.
Do you have a study that shows that children of engaged parents do better in school then parents not so engaged?
It is common sense that parents that are engaged will tend to have kids that do better in school. It is also common sense that parents that are engaged are much more likely then unengaged parents to take the time and effort to sign their kids up for a charter school. Common sense can lead you wrong at times, but i'd be interested in seeing the study that you have.
there's not enough money in the galaxy
U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com
Any serious approach to our financial problems would include both spending cuts and tax increases.
Any serious approach to our financial problems would include both spending cuts and tax increases. And both should be targeted, wisely done, planned to get the most bang for the buck, so to speak.
They were useful idiots. The real criminals were the politicians who sold our grandchildren into a life of slavery, or serfdom to the state, if you prefer, in order to buy the votes to keep themselves in office. Marxism has always had enormous appeal. Who wouldn't want to get something for noting (or very little)?So it is your contention that our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents were all Marxists for supporting these programs huh! You are funny Misterveritis! :sun
the topic is the tragically upside down fiscal status of many of our school districts, coast to coast
and the way out, which has been pretty well established
Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district | Washington Examiner
keep up the good work in the classroom
I assume that parents that take the time to sign their kids up for charter schools would be more engaged then parents that don't. So, using your previous logic (and what I would have thought too), shouldn't charter school kids be doing better? Do they give a reason for the discrepancy?
FEW cliches permeate our culture more thoroughly than that of the underpaid schoolteacher. In fact, many people would say that if they know anything about public schools it is that teachers deserve far more money than they actually get.
Teachers are underpaid. The avg is skewed by the fact that seniority is the basis for pay and most teachers don't make it past 4years. Teacher's starting pay is typically below 30k/year. How do we as a society expect to get the best teachers if we start them off on barely above poverty pay?
Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com
Amazing that retention is so low for such a cush job, as some think. However, I will state that I don't believe pay is the major reason for the low retention rate. Respect I think ranks higher.
Pay is a sign of respect. But low retention rates are also caused by rules and the inability for teachers to actually do their job.
Amazing that retention is so low for such a cush job, as some think. However, I will state that I don't believe pay is the major reason for the low retention rate. Respect I think ranks higher.
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