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There isn't much to say other than in my own view, but obviously not yours, whether discrimination in the marketplace based on sexual preference is ethically or morally acceptable is not a facts and circumstances question.
So we can agree to disagree.
I don't know why any adult gives a crap about what another adult thinks of his/her bedroom preferences. The couple at the center of this story are apparently very hurt because this doctor doesn't agree with their preferences. I don't care who dislikes my blonde hair, my blue eyes, my choice of husband, my kids' clothes, what kind of car I drive, what kind of music I like, or what color my house is. Just as long as nobody doesn't provide me with what I pay for that everyone else gets for the same price that I pay.
The baby got medical care that day. This couple is pissed because the doctor doesn't like them. BFD.
Discrimination. BFD.
I think we understand your view pretty well!
Discrimination:
Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".
Not quite discrimination. The baby was seen. They didn't go to the doctor to get approval of their marriage.
Not everyone is going to like you.
Check...No Problem..
I may have overdone the benign aspect a bit. Indulge me...Preference and tastes in food is hardly analogous to bigotry in the context we're (you're) using it here, agreed?
If you do not discriminate you are not a bigot. It is action that makes on, in my view at least. We all like and dislike any number of things, but it is our actions vis-a-vis people that can turn us into bigots.I understand that, but I challenged you to provide a circumstance where one could be personally turned off by, or of not condoning of homosexuality and NOT be a bigot.
I do too. I was asking that in the context of being forced.Asked to join? Did you really just say that? I reject many lifestyles, and character traits in people. I choose my associates rather carefully, do you not do the same?
No, this doctor demonstrated bigotry by declining to see a 6 days old infant, one that she initially agreed to see.And this Doctor was making a conscientious choice to avoid associating with these lesbian parents, both personally and professionally.
Yes, when done for some legitimate reason, not as discrimination.Denial or service is a very common thing.
That's unfortunate. The doctor is protected by their religious beliefs and thus is allowed to refuse the patient.
Thank the universe the bible doesn't make any explicit prohibitions to other minority groups or more people would be S.0.L
there is no shortage of dr's willing to provide care for the children of homosexual couples, but that won't stop all the do gooders from passing more laws.
nitwits!
That's unfortunate. The doctor is protected by their religious beliefs and thus is allowed to refuse the patient.
Thank the universe the bible doesn't make any explicit prohibitions to other minority groups or more people would be S.0.L
You're determined to miss the point, so I'll quit trying. I should have known better. My mistake.
S.O.L. is a bit hyperbolic, isn't it.
The couple had their feelings hurt but still walked in and saw a doctor.
S.O.L. is a bit hyperbolic, isn't it.
The couple had their feelings hurt but still walked in and saw a doctor.
What you want me to do is join you in the outrage that this doctor doesn't approve of the lifestyle of these women, and I won't. Not everyone has to like or associate with everyone else. The baby got care, at the same time and the same place that the original doctor was supposed to provide the care. There is nothing to see here.
Well I suppose because fortunately people have wide variety of positions on controversial politics regarding sexuality.
But in theory, if every doctor was a devout christian it would be an issue. It's the thought of "What if American was the country most Christians want it to be" A country does everything by the book - that holy book.
It's a scary thought.
And denials, much like yours.There is a lot of hyperbole in this thread.
Well I suppose because fortunately people have wide variety of positions on controversial politics regarding sexuality.
But in theory, if every doctor was a devout christian it would be an issue. It's the thought of "What if American was the country most Christians want it to be" A country that does everything by the book - that holy book.
It's a scary thought.
I think it's probably far more accurate to say what you think "most Christians want" is really what you want most Christians to want.
I suspect Christians are mostly like everyone else and have a wide variety of beliefs. I also suspect your average "devout Christian" doctor wouldn't care all that much about the sexuality of the parents. I certainly think the doctor behaved foolish but I suppose that's his right.
What i think most Christians want is based entirely on my experiences with them as a gay man myself and also my experience with them on these forums.
It's enough evidence, anecdotal though it may be, to give credence to any misgivings that I have for a hypothetical world were everyone in power is a devout christian.
We don't all live in large populated cities. Some small towns only have a few doctors - it would be a shame for someone to be stranded in area where the only doctors who are available are legally able to refuse you service because you "lifestyle" is contrary to their dearly held beliefs.
Sure but all that depends on your horribly extremist views of Christianity, so I don't think there's too much to worry about.
RAmfel, Bob Bayloc, Palecon, Logic man <--- only a few names is what is a very large population of extreme hateful christians that run rampant on the interwebs, the westboro baptist church, entire websites dedicated to curing gays, gay conversion therapy often run by abrahamic religious facilities, the list goes on- Yeah, you'll have to forgive me for my totally unreasonable fear of a country run by zealous Christians.
Because there is no precedence at all to go off of.
Right.
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Should have her license revoked... there is only one rule for doctors.. the Hippocratic oath
A zombie apocalypse is also a scary thought, and about as likely to occur as this scenario that you've outlined.Well I suppose because fortunately people have wide variety of positions on controversial politics regarding sexuality.
But in theory, if every doctor was a devout christian it would be an issue. It's the thought of "What if American was the country most Christians want it to be" A country that does everything by the book - that holy book.
It's a scary thought.
Theocracies and those who advocate them are a danger to everything that is decent, civilized, rational, intelligent and desired by people any and everywhere in the world.RAmfel, Bob Bayloc, Palecon, Logic man <--- only a few names is what is a very large population of extreme hateful christians that run rampant on the interwebs, the westboro baptist church, entire websites dedicated to curing gays, gay conversion therapy often run by abrahamic religious facilities, the list goes on- Yeah, you'll have to forgive me for my totally unreasonable fear of a country run by zealous Christians.
Because there is no precedence at all to go off of.
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