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Memorials, Statues and Squares - What Does Memorializing George Floyd, Tearing Down Statues Say About Society? (1 Viewer)

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The article What Is the Future of George Floyd Square? (link) excerpts below, unintentionally makes a powerful statement about what we honor as a society. We tear down statues of Theodore Roosevelt (who was the first to have a black person as a guest at the White House) and even Abe Lincoln. These people have massive accomplishments. What were George Floyd's accomplishments? Passing counterfeit bills? Excerpts from article:
New York Times said:
The intersection of 38th Street East and Chicago Avenue in Minneapolis was forever altered the day a police officer knelt on George Floyd’s neck five years ago, killing him....
Ms. Austin, for one, does not want to see the fists come down or the makeshift shrine replaced by something more polished.
“People have been more focused on aesthetics than becoming,” she said. “The reason this place is still disrupted is because we haven’t become who we need to be. If we can get to where we are a nation where we are not taking lives for the sake of taking lives, then we can start talking about aesthetics.”
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Sad that we celebrate crime and destruction, not accomplishment. Where to people expect the money comes from for social programs? From the air?
 
JBG said:
The article What Is the Future of George Floyd Square? (link) excerpts below, unintentionally makes a powerful statement about what we honor as a society. We tear down statues of Theodore Roosevelt (who was the first to have a black person as a guest at the White House) and even Abe Lincoln. These people have massive accomplishments. What were George Floyd's accomplishments? Passing counterfeit bills? Excerpts from article:
Sad that we celebrate crime and destruction, not accomplishment. Where to people expect the money comes from for social programs? From the air?
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Progressives have some strange ideas.
 
The problem with your premise is it assumes the purpose of the memorial is just to commemorate the person, when it is far more symbolic than that. The intention is to remember this is less about the man and his character, and more about what his death represented to members of the local community as well as others who have been the victims of police brutality. What is being "honored" is the struggle against police brutality, and not who and what George Floyd was. You also incorrectly assume what's "celebrated" is crime and destruction, which is not what this is about at all. Based on your logic, we shouldn't be "celebrating" traitors to the union who started a war to defend slavery. Their actions led to many deaths and destruction of property. For starters though, it's important to properly identify what is being commemorated.
 
JBG said:
The article What Is the Future of George Floyd Square? (link) excerpts below, unintentionally makes a powerful statement about what we honor as a society. We tear down statues of Theodore Roosevelt (who was the first to have a black person as a guest at the White House) and even Abe Lincoln. These people have massive accomplishments. What were George Floyd's accomplishments? Passing counterfeit bills? Excerpts from article:
Sad that we celebrate crime and destruction, not accomplishment. Where to people expect the money comes from for social programs? From the air?
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We're a fickle bunch?
 
♪ Memorials and statues and squares...oh my!
Memorials and statues and squares...oh my! ♪



I'd just like to apologize to the writers & cast of Wizard of Oz.
 
It doesn't say anything good.

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JBG said:
The article What Is the Future of George Floyd Square? (link) excerpts below, unintentionally makes a powerful statement about what we honor as a society. We tear down statues of Theodore Roosevelt (who was the first to have a black person as a guest at the White House) and even Abe Lincoln. These people have massive accomplishments. What were George Floyd's accomplishments? Passing counterfeit bills? Excerpts from article:
Sad that we celebrate crime and destruction, not accomplishment. Where to people expect the money comes from for social programs? From the air?
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ataraxia said:
Here is something that doesn't say anything good: a 34-count convicted felon and rapist running your country.
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And before this is over, they will be clamoring to put his felonious, traitorous mug on Rushmore. But god forbid a memorial be erected for a black man murdered by a cop.
 
JBG said:
The article What Is the Future of George Floyd Square? (link) excerpts below, unintentionally makes a powerful statement about what we honor as a society. We tear down statues of Theodore Roosevelt (who was the first to have a black person as a guest at the White House) and even Abe Lincoln. These people have massive accomplishments. What were George Floyd's accomplishments? Passing counterfeit bills? Excerpts from article:
Sad that we celebrate crime and destruction, not accomplishment. Where to people expect the money comes from for social programs? From the air?
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So you should oppose statues to the accomplishments of slave owning traitors standing in the US yes?
 
JBG said:
The article What Is the Future of George Floyd Square? (link) excerpts below, unintentionally makes a powerful statement about what we honor as a society. We tear down statues of Theodore Roosevelt (who was the first to have a black person as a guest at the White House) and even Abe Lincoln. These people have massive accomplishments. What were George Floyd's accomplishments? Passing counterfeit bills? Excerpts from article:
Sad that we celebrate crime and destruction, not accomplishment. Where to people expect the money comes from for social programs? From the air?
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There's also a statue of Emmett Till, and it isn't about the accomplishments of this boy.

Statue of Emmett Till

Please stop parroting what the Right tells you to think. It's making you look dumb.
 
Questerr said:
To be fair, @JBG might be opposed to a statue to Emmett Till standing too.
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That's fine, but the reasoning behind this thread is silly. No one is claiming Floyd or Till are being celebrated for doing a thing. They are both representative of a movement and an understanding that racial hatred must be fought against. Both incidents sparked huge backlashes, and the movement for change in the face of those moments in time is what's being memorialized.
 
Too be fair, the Lincoln statue came down because people were troubled by the slave kneeling at his feet. Something Fredrick Douglas didn't like, apparently.
 
Tettsuo said:
That's fine, but the reasoning behind this thread is silly. No one is claiming Floyd or Till are being celebrated for doing a thing. They are both representative of a movement and an understanding that racial hatred must be fought against. Both incidents sparked huge backlashes, and the movement for change in the face of those moments in time is what's being memorialized.
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Conservatives like the OP don't believe racial hatred must be fought against, unless of course its the entirely fictional racial hatred against white people.
 
Questerr said:
Conservatives like the OP don't believe racial hatred must be fought against, unless of course its the entirely fictional racial hatred against white people.
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I have been witness as a professional societal referee to every form of hatred there is, and that includes hatred of all sorts of skin color. White isn’t excluded.

I have even seen White people who hate White people, as well as Black people who hate other Black people. You name a kind of hate, someone fits the bill.

Unfortunately that’s the nature of humanity as you can’t name a kind of hate that won’t define some folk on any given day. Everyday in every way there are also a least a few if us hating some of the rest of us, and almost always over something stupid.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
I have been witness as a professional societal referee to every form of hatred there is, and that includes hatred of all sorts of skin color. White isn’t excluded.

I have even seen White people who hate White people, as well as Black people who hate other Black people. You name a kind of hate, someone fits the bill.

Unfortunately that’s the nature of humanity as you can’t name a kind of hate that won’t define some folk on any given day. Everyday in every way there are also a least a few if us hating some of the rest of us, and almost always over something stupid.
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In India, they have even managed to come up with an interesting and unique system for hating and excluding people: the caste system.
 
Questerr said:
Conservatives like the OP don't believe racial hatred must be fought against, unless of course its the entirely fictional racial hatred against white people.
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I am a progressive Democrat and not a conservative.
 
Questerr said:
Sure you are. Progressive Democrats definitely take issue with George Floyd.
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Glad you agree. I see very little progressive about George Floyd. He was and is a bizarre choice as a poster child. Just another waste of oxygen.
 
JBG said:
Glad you agree. I see very little progressive about George Floyd. He was and is a bizarre choice as a poster child. Just another waste of oxygen.
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Yeah, you’re lying about being Progressive.
 
JBG said:
Glad you agree. I see very little progressive about George Floyd. He was and is a bizarre choice as a poster child. Just another waste of oxygen.
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Some of us draw the line at murder.
 
ataraxia said:
Progressive don’t think that excessive police brutality and murder for minor offenses is progress.
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Some progressives supported eugenics. Maybe he's a throwback.
 
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