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Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisphere

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Why should we care if all the ice in the arctic seas melt?

Because that will lead to wilder weather in the mid-Northern latitudes - i.e. the US and Europe.

This is a study from Nature Climate Change. showing how the lack of ice has resulted in extreme summer weather in lower latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere.

(Just to clarify, Nature Climate Change is a subjournal of Nature. In other words, the absolute unequivocal consensus among scientists has made the most prestigious multidisciplinary scientific journal in the world develop an entire journal devoted to climate change and AGW, just in case you were confused about the concept of consensus, which some of you seem challenged by).

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n1/full/nclimate2065.html



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Extreme summer weather in northern mid-latitudes linked to a vanishing cryosphere

Qiuhong Tang,
Xuejun Zhang
& Jennifer A. Francis


Nature Climate Change 4, 45–50 (2014)




The past decade has seen an exceptional number of unprecedented summer extreme weather events 1, 2, 3, 4 in northern mid-latitudes, along with record declines in both summer Arctic sea ice 5, 6 and snow cover on high-latitude land 7. The underlying mechanisms that link the shrinking cryosphere with summer extreme weather, however, remain unclear 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Here, we combine satellite observations of early summer snow cover and summer sea-ice extent 13 with atmospheric reanalysis data 14 to demonstrate associations between summer weather patterns in mid-latitudes and losses of snow and sea ice. Results suggest that the atmospheric circulation responds differently to changes in the ice and snow extents, with a stronger response to sea-ice loss, even though its reduction is half as large as that for the snow cover. Atmospheric changes associated with the combined snow/ice reductions reveal widespread upper-level height increases, weaker upper-level zonal winds at high latitudes, a more amplified upper-level pattern, and a general northward shift in the jet stream. More frequent extreme summer heat events over mid-latitude continents are linked with reduced sea ice and snow through these circulation changes.

Of course, this builds upon previous scientific work, including the work showing similar findings.

Evidence linking Arctic amplification to extreme weather in mid-latitudes - Francis - 2012 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7293/full/nature09051.html
 
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So what ?

It could just as easily be the expanding Antarctic that might be to blame. We are not proven to be responsible for either so we just don't know such is the immaturity and limited longevity of accurate satellite research/history of these regions. As such this is just a tiny snapshot of a poorly understood natural phenomenon until it can be proven to be otherwise
 
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Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

So what ?

Every good warmer knows all of the correlation is causation effect stories.

I wonder if they understand that soot is the primary reason fro the norther ice to melt so fast...
 
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Why should we care if all the ice in the arctic seas melt?
Because caring won't help anything.

Because that will lead to wilder weather in the mid-Northern latitudes - i.e. the US and Europe.
"Will lead to," not may lead to is a bit presumptuous, don't you think?

Catastrophists have been promising more extreme and "wilder weather" for years now, and the beat continues, ad nauseum.

But what happens?

Global temperature rise slows down.
Fewer hurricanes, tornadoes and droughts.

It's all looking good, but still we have the doomers telling us that:
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Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

Because caring won't help anything.

"Will lead to," not may lead to is a bit presumptuous, don't you think?

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Thanks for the correction. The paper clearly states I should have typed 'has led to' instead of 'will lead to'.
 
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And a little digging into the references reveals this quote from the Daily Mail piece they got it from:

"While this increase in ice volume is welcome news, it does not indicate a reversal in the long-term trend.

'It’s estimated that there was around 20 000 cu km of Arctic sea ice each October in the early 1980s, and so today’s minimum still ranks among the lowest of the past 30 years,' said Professor Andrew Shepherd from University College London."

I guess Breitbart forgot to put that in the blog post...​
 
Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

Thanks for the correction.
Make your mind up.

The paper clearly states I should have typed ...
I'm sure the paper didn't give you any typing instructions.

'has led to' instead of 'will lead to'.
Balderdash.
The only people who believe the weather is "wilder," are those unable to use a search engine for weather history.
 
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When taken as a whole, global temperature variability has been nearly constant over the last 50 years, according to Chris Huntingford, lead author of the study and a climate modeler at the U.K. Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, part of Britain's government-funded Natural Environment Research Council.
PUBLIC OPINION: Scientists assert there is less weather variability, globally, than most people believe -- Monday, August 5, 2013 -- www.eenews.net
 
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Looks like you agree with the OP and my conclusions.

Because the OP is an article that specifically discusses extreme temperatures in the mid latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere due to loss of ice.

But maybe you are sticking with your denier stance? If so, you apparently didnt bother to read your article (and Id be stunned if you saw the original source article in Nature) beyond the headline.

Look at this part of the third paragraph:
"While regions like North America and Europe have been experiencing greater temperature variability, wild shifts from extreme heat to extreme cold, some parts of the world have been seeing more consistent temperatures."

In fact, the third from the last paragraph in your reference states:

""If you were in a warming world," Huntingford said, "the years regarded as extreme could definitely become more routine." They suggested -- cautiously, according to Huntingford -- that rapid sea ice melt in the Arctic is one possible driver behind this future decreased variability."

This matter is concluded. :peace
 
Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

Don't you mean, "the science is settled?"
He probably does.

After-all, the world is flat, you know.
 
Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

Why should we care if all the ice in the arctic seas melt?

Because that will lead to wilder weather in the mid-Northern latitudes - i.e. the US and Europe.

This is a study from Nature Climate Change. showing how the lack of ice has resulted in extreme summer weather in lower latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere.

(Just to clarify, Nature Climate Change is a subjournal of Nature. In other words, the absolute unequivocal consensus among scientists has made the most prestigious multidisciplinary scientific journal in the world develop an entire journal devoted to climate change and AGW, just in case you were confused about the concept of consensus, which some of you seem challenged by).

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n1/full/nclimate2065.html



Nature Climate Change | Letter

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Extreme summer weather in northern mid-latitudes linked to a vanishing cryosphere

Qiuhong Tang,
Xuejun Zhang
& Jennifer A. Francis


Nature Climate Change 4, 45–50 (2014)




The past decade has seen an exceptional number of unprecedented summer extreme weather events 1, 2, 3, 4 in northern mid-latitudes, along with record declines in both summer Arctic sea ice 5, 6 and snow cover on high-latitude land 7. The underlying mechanisms that link the shrinking cryosphere with summer extreme weather, however, remain unclear 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Here, we combine satellite observations of early summer snow cover and summer sea-ice extent 13 with atmospheric reanalysis data 14 to demonstrate associations between summer weather patterns in mid-latitudes and losses of snow and sea ice. Results suggest that the atmospheric circulation responds differently to changes in the ice and snow extents, with a stronger response to sea-ice loss, even though its reduction is half as large as that for the snow cover. Atmospheric changes associated with the combined snow/ice reductions reveal widespread upper-level height increases, weaker upper-level zonal winds at high latitudes, a more amplified upper-level pattern, and a general northward shift in the jet stream. More frequent extreme summer heat events over mid-latitude continents are linked with reduced sea ice and snow through these circulation changes.

Of course, this builds upon previous scientific work, including the work showing similar findings.

Evidence linking Arctic amplification to extreme weather in mid-latitudes - Francis - 2012 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7293/full/nature09051.html

Wait, I thought weather wasn't indicative of climate? I wish you guys would make up your minds or at least let us know when weather is indicative of climate and when it is not...It's hard to take you guys seriously when you jump around like this... A warm day in winter.. WEATHER... A lot of warm days in a row in a lot of winters in succession might be climate.. Or is it another case of believe what we tell you now and not what we told you last time?

BTW, A sub-journal published by a larger journal dedicated to pro-AGW studies is like playing pool with a guy named "fats" and then being surprised when he wins every game...

EDIT; Just wanted to point out that if you have to justify a source BEFORE you talk about what it says, it means your source is dubious and you know it..
 
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Wait, I thought weather wasn't indicative of climate? I wish you guys would make up your minds or at least let us know when weather is indicative of climate and when it is not...It's hard to take you guys seriously when you jump around like this... A warm day in winter.. WEATHER... A lot of warm days in a row in a lot of winters in succession might be climate.. Or is it another case of believe what we tell you now and not what we told you last time?

BTW, A sub-journal published by a larger journal dedicated to pro-AGW studies is like playing pool with a guy named "fats" and then being surprised when he wins every game...

EDIT; Just wanted to point out that if you have to justify a source BEFORE you talk about what it says, it means your source is dubious and you know it..

Yeah. Nature is somehow dubious but 'wikki' is not.

Actually, I was clarifying the hierarchy of multidisciplinary scientific journals for some readers who may be wholly ignorant of the importance of the journal.

But weather isn't climate, however, climate can influence weather. A tough distinction, I know.
 
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Yeah. Nature is somehow dubious but 'wikki' is not.

Actually, I was clarifying the hierarchy of multidisciplinary scientific journals for some readers who may be wholly ignorant of the importance of the journal.

But weather isn't climate, however, climate can influence weather. A tough distinction, I know.

Nature as as source on science not dubious. Nature's sub journal dedicated to pro-AGW science, as dubious as it gets.. And you were justifying your source goofs. It's plain as day.. If you feel the need to do that there must be some reason for it, and the only one that makes sense is you knew that the name would arouse suspicion. Well founded suspicion IMHO..

I get it,another example of weather being climate when it suits your needs, and not when it doesn't...
 
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Nature as as source on science not dubious. Nature's sub journal dedicated to pro-AGW science, as dubious as it gets...

And that's because.....you say so?

Well, since you seen to consider Nature a reputable source (although the stance of the AAAS is the same for both journals), I present to you a note in Nature discussing the research highlights in its other journals.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v504/n7479/full/504190c.html

I'm sure you can find lots more on AGW in Nature with a quick website search. The probably publish a climate article every month or do, and virtually every one starts with a simple acknowledgement that AGW is real. (It's almost like there is an overwhelming consensus or something!!)
 
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Leaf der schpellink korrekshuns to me, danke schön.
My apologies, I forgot to include a translation of the foreign language in that post.

Danke schón means thank you in German.

The first 4 words are badly spelled English.
 
Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

And that's because.....you say so?

Well, since you seen to consider Nature a reputable source (although the stance of the AAAS is the same for both journals), I present to you a note in Nature discussing the research highlights in its other journals.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v504/n7479/full/504190c.html

I'm sure you can find lots more on AGW in Nature with a quick website search. The probably publish a climate article every month or do, and virtually every one starts with a simple acknowledgement that AGW is real. (It's almost like there is an overwhelming consensus or something!!)

Why? My point was in regards to your previous source and your need to justify it.. Nature a science journal, a good source for scientific research papers, not a statement of fact or absolute truth on all things related. And citing one of their sub-journals dedicated to pro-AGW research is even LESS..

If you continue to rely on confirmation bias for your scientific knowledge, you stagnate..
 
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Right. And papers in Nature are virtually universally in agreement with the concept that AGW is real and a significant problem.
 
Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

Right. And papers in Nature are virtually universally in agreement with the concept that AGW is real and a significant problem.

Who are you talking to now?
 
Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

Who are you talking to now?

Generally, responses are to the immediate post above mine.

Thanks for asking. But don't bother to respond. It's really not necessary.
 
Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

Right. And papers in Nature are virtually universally in agreement with the concept that AGW is real and a significant problem.
Once again, that all we get from you.

Can you explain how that works by chance?
 
Re: Melting Ice in the Arctic linked to extreme summer weather in the entire hemisph

Once again, that all we get from you.

Can you explain how that works by chance?

Yeah, Thats all you get. A reminder that all of science treats AGW as the fact that it is, rather than some conspiracy.

How does science work? Well, data is collected, collated and interpreted. Then you take all of that and put it in a forum where your peers can critique it. Thats often a journal and the process is called peer review. Sometimes this is done live at conferences too, a bit more informally though. Then that science is put into context with the other data, and a framework evolves. Its quite complicated, and interestingly enough, really doesnt involve blogs at all.
 
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