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Media Bias in the Vaccine Story

Jack Hays

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Media treatment of the vaccination issue is as dishonest as it could be. Note that Chris Christie and President Obama have said the same thing about vaccinations. Who do you suppose was beaten up?

Media's Deception With the Anti-Vaccine Story - Erick Erickson, RedState

In 2008, Barack Obama declared the science of vaccinations inconclusive.
On Friday, White House Press Secretary Josh Ernst said
“I’m not going stand up here and dispense medical advice,” Earnest said, according to the AP. “But I am going to suggest that the president’s view is that people should evaluate this for themselves, with a bias toward good science and toward the advice of our public health professionals, who are trained to offer us exactly this kind of advice.”
Chris Christie, the Republican Governor of New Jersey, echoed the White House Press Secretary’s position and the media promptly beat him up.
 
Media treatment of the vaccination issue is as dishonest as it could be. Note that Chris Christie and President Obama have said the same thing about vaccinations. Who do you suppose was beaten up?

Media's Deception With the Anti-Vaccine Story - Erick Erickson, RedState

In 2008, Barack Obama declared the science of vaccinations inconclusive.
On Friday, White House Press Secretary Josh Ernst said
“I’m not going stand up here and dispense medical advice,” Earnest said, according to the AP. “But I am going to suggest that the president’s view is that people should evaluate this for themselves, with a bias toward good science and toward the advice of our public health professionals, who are trained to offer us exactly this kind of advice.”
Chris Christie, the Republican Governor of New Jersey, echoed the White House Press Secretary’s position and the media promptly beat him up.

New Video of Obama's 2008 Autism Statement Destroys the Claim He Was "Pandering to Anti-Vaxxers" - Little Green Footballs
 

You can claim all you want that it gets BHO off the hook, but it plainly does not. From your link:

". . . And autism, I think, is a prime candidate where we’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. . . . "
 
You can claim all you want that it gets BHO off the hook, but it plainly does not. From your link:

". . . And autism, I think, is a prime candidate where we’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. . . . "
Research is pandering?
 
You are the only one here who has used the word "pandering." I have not, and neither did the article I posted.[/QUOT
What is it that my article doesn't get Obama off the "hook" from?
 
You are the only one here who has used the word "pandering." I have not, and neither did the article I posted.[/QUOT
What is it that my article doesn't get Obama off the "hook" from?

His position on vaccines was exactly the same as the one Christie took. And yet Christie was criticized while no one said a word about BHO. It's a very clear example of media bias.
 
You can claim all you want that it gets BHO off the hook, but it plainly does not. From your link:

". . . And autism, I think, is a prime candidate where we’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. . . . "

Joe Scarborough brought that up on his show the other day and made them play that clip. I don't fault Obama for what he said then because anything should be researched and looked at. What I do find fault with is the way, as you accurately put it, the media jumped all over Christie for saying the exact same thing.
 
His position on vaccines was exactly the same as the one Christie took. And yet Christie was criticized while no one said a word about BHO. It's a very clear example of media bias.
That still doesn't explain how BHO was off the hook by my article.
 
He wasn't. Your article did not help him a bit.
Of course it did:

Brandon Wall of the Chicago Sun-Times dug up the full video of that Barack Obama campaign appearance in Pennsylvania in 2008, and it’s fascinating to see the complete context of his remarks about autism and vaccines — because it makes it extremely clear that he was not saying the “science was inconclusive” about a link between autism and vaccines, but that the “science was inconclusive” on the causes of autism.
 
Of course it did:

Brandon Wall of the Chicago Sun-Times dug up the full video of that Barack Obama campaign appearance in Pennsylvania in 2008, and it’s fascinating to see the complete context of his remarks about autism and vaccines — because it makes it extremely clear that he was not saying the “science was inconclusive” about a link between autism and vaccines, but that the “science was inconclusive” on the causes of autism.

And that claim is a lie unsupported by the text of BHO's remarks.
 
The claim that BHO was not saying the science was inconclusive about a link between vaccines and autism. He plainly was.
He sure did, and you quoted him saying it in post #4. Bye jack, I can take only so much of your dishonesty.
 
He sure did, and you quoted him saying it in post #4. Bye jack, I can take only so much of your dishonesty.

I don't think any fair minded person would conclude I'm the dishonest party in this discussion. It's right there in black and white. Here it is again.


". . . And autism, I think, is a prime candidate where we’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. . . . "
 
Actually on my computer it's black on light blue, but you are correct about what President Obama said.
 
Brandon Wall of the Chicago Sun-Times dug up the full video of that Barack Obama campaign appearance in Pennsylvania in 2008, and it’s fascinating to see the complete context of his remarks about autism and vaccines — because it makes it extremely clear that he was not saying the “science was inconclusive” about a link between autism and vaccines, but that the “science was inconclusive” on the causes of autism.


I’ve transcribed the full answer Obama gave to the audience so you can see, in context, that his entire point was about more research being needed into what causes autism, so that special education funding could be increased where it was truly necessary.


This settles the matter, as far as I’m concerned. The media sites that tried to use this as “balance” for the Republicans who’ve been spewing anti-vaccination nonsense were simply wrong.


I’ve cued up the video to start at the section in question.


Obama: Right there.


Questioner: Actually, this is to go along with the education, um, and you being on the Daily Show tonight.


Obama: That’s very important, yes.


Questioner: Well, Jon Stewart hosted a Night of Too Many Comedians and the focus was autism. With an increase in autism, I myself suffer from dyslexia, students with disabilities. When I was in high school my high school didn’t want to send me to an alternative school where I could learn. They told me I was old enough to drop out, because they didn’t want to lose that money from the state. How are you going to fund special needs students?


Obama: Well, my goal is going to be to fully fund special education. We’ve never met that funding goal. The federal government promised, when the IDEA was first passed, special education mandate was first passed, that it would get 40% of, the federal government would fund 40% of total special ed funding. It’s never gone above 18%. So then local school districts end up being severely burdened by the whole thing. And, you know, I think that we’ve gotta give local communities more help, and the federal government’s gotta take a role in providing more help.


We’ve also gotta recognize that if we diagnose, if we do a better job diagnosing kids early, then we can save them a lot of grief, and improve outcomes a lot more quickly. And so, setting up early screening that’s more effective than it is right now, I think is gonna be really important.


The final issue, you mentioned autism, that’s an area, that’s an example where our investment in basic research and basic science has to drastically increase. I was mentioning earlier investments in infrastructure, one of the things I left out was investment in basic science and technology. I mentioned in terms of energy, but the same is true on, you know, the biotech, and the genome sciences… huge opportunities for us to figure out what are the sources of diseases, how can we prevent them, or at least intervene more quickly.


And autism, I think, is a prime candidate where we’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. Because if we keep on seeing increases at the rate we’re seeing we’re never going to have enough money to provide all the special needs, special education funding that’s going to be necessary.​
 
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Media treatment of the vaccination issue is as dishonest as it could be. Note that Chris Christie and President Obama have said the same thing about vaccinations. Who do you suppose was beaten up?

Media's Deception With the Anti-Vaccine Story - Erick Erickson, RedState

In 2008, Barack Obama declared the science of vaccinations inconclusive.
On Friday, White House Press Secretary Josh Ernst said
“I’m not going stand up here and dispense medical advice,” Earnest said, according to the AP. “But I am going to suggest that the president’s view is that people should evaluate this for themselves, with a bias toward good science and toward the advice of our public health professionals, who are trained to offer us exactly this kind of advice.”
Chris Christie, the Republican Governor of New Jersey, echoed the White House Press Secretary’s position and the media promptly beat him up.

Maybe he got beat up in the press because that is just about the opposite that he said when the nurse suspected with ebola was quarantined against her wishes.
 
Maybe he got beat up in the press because that is just about the opposite that he said when the nurse suspected with ebola was quarantined against her wishes.

Two separate situations, two separate answers.
 
People who don't vaccinate their children should be fined federally.
 
Two separate situations, two separate answers.

Only partly, one is a freedom of religion/choice to not have your children vaccinated. And a government that could choose to put more pressure on those parents, maybe even make it mandatory. All in the name of protecting the health of everybody.

The other one was a case of locking up in a quarantine a nurse, her mandatory quarantine was said by Christie to protect the health of everybody.

So keeping a person against her will was justified to protect the population but mandatory vaccinations to protect the population is not justified in Christies words. And that is not being consequent IMHO.
 
Only partly, one is a freedom of religion/choice to not have your children vaccinated. And a government that could choose to put more pressure on those parents, maybe even make it mandatory. All in the name of protecting the health of everybody.

The other one was a case of locking up in a quarantine a nurse, her mandatory quarantine was said by Christie to protect the health of everybody.

So keeping a person against her will was justified to protect the population but mandatory vaccinations to protect the population is not justified in Christies words. And that is not being consequent IMHO.

I'm not sure the same standards apply to a deadly infectious disease and what used to be a common childhood communicable disease.
 
I don't think any fair minded person would conclude I'm the dishonest party in this discussion. It's right there in black and white. Here it is again.


". . . And autism, I think, is a prime candidate where we’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. . . . "
Thanks again, I am glad you agree.

Here is the video of him saying it

 
I'm not sure the same standards apply to a deadly infectious disease and what used to be a common childhood communicable disease.

But they are both infectious diseases.
 
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