Stu Ghatze
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Stu Ghatze said:McCain & the straw poll
Poor John McCain,..always thinking by his maverick positions, & enjoying to "oppose" president Bush on many issues "to the DELIGHT of the leftwing media" that loved to see another GOP'er critiscize Bush;...finally came to the realization that there are consequences for behaving like a two faced piece of shyte by trying to undermine the president!
Sure...coming in a big 4th (huh huh huh) on the straw vote poll for likely republican front runners didn't sit too well with him.
He should have thought about that when he was enjoying all his leftwing media support, ..& democratic party encouragment when he was "piling" on Bush.
Naturally hobnobing with the liberal elite democratic party congressional members who despise Mr. Bush, ..& the g-damn media "surely" would help him, or so he "thought"??
Now John McCain pretends to want to stand next to president Bush in his time of need, & poor poll showings to show support, ..the disingenuine turd.
Huh huh...& the lying media continues to refer to John McCain as the republican front runner.
Just wait until the democrats decide on their candidate, ..McCain will find out just how friendly the "two faced" media & his friendly democratic party allies he "thinks" he has,..not to mention the GOP voters who will make him pay a heavy price for ALL of his undermining of president Bush's policies, ..just to get the 'approval' from the left & the media!
McCain seriously mis-judged the GOP base, & did POORLY in the straw poll vote...& thought that by distancing himself from Bush would help him look more "acceptable" by being in the "middle" where it is usually much safer, & kowtowing to the liberal left, & mugging for the media.
Thats good, ..& now the two faced McCain can lose with his liberal friends,...after they backstab him first when it gets down to the nitty gritty of politicking.
A very fair price for having NO conviction, ..& honest principles by standing with his president in the good, & in the bad of times!
Yeah, McCain has no conviction at all. He was only tortured and kept in solitary confinement by the North Vietnamese and held in the infamous Hanoi Hilton for 6 years, 2 of which were in solitary confinement. All the while our then future President was living it up drinking, partying, and snorting lines of coke. Yeah, McCain is not near the man our President is. :roll:Stu Ghatze said:.....A very fair price for having NO conviction, ..& honest principles by standing with his president in the good, & in the bad of times!
Stu Ghatze said:McCain & the straw poll
Poor John McCain,..always thinking by his maverick positions, & enjoying to "oppose" president Bush on many issues "to the DELIGHT of the leftwing media" that loved to see another GOP'er critiscize Bush;...finally came to the realization that there are consequences for behaving like a two faced piece of shyte by trying to undermine the president!
Sure...coming in a big 4th (huh huh huh) on the straw vote poll for likely republican front runners didn't sit too well with him.
He should have thought about that when he was enjoying all his leftwing media support, ..& democratic party encouragment when he was "piling" on Bush.
Naturally hobnobing with the liberal elite democratic party congressional members who despise Mr. Bush, ..& the g-damn media "surely" would help him, or so he "thought"??
Now John McCain pretends to want to stand next to president Bush in his time of need, & poor poll showings to show support, ..the disingenuine turd.
Huh huh...& the lying media continues to refer to John McCain as the republican front runner.
Just wait until the democrats decide on their candidate, ..McCain will find out just how friendly the "two faced" media & his friendly democratic party allies he "thinks" he has,..not to mention the GOP voters who will make him pay a heavy price for ALL of his undermining of president Bush's policies, ..just to get the 'approval' from the left & the media!
McCain seriously mis-judged the GOP base, & did POORLY in the straw poll vote...& thought that by distancing himself from Bush would help him look more "acceptable" by being in the "middle" where it is usually much safer, & kowtowing to the liberal left, & mugging for the media.
Thats good, ..& now the two faced McCain can lose with his liberal friends,...after they backstab him first when it gets down to the nitty gritty of politicking.
A very fair price for having NO conviction, ..& honest principles by standing with his president in the good, & in the bad of times!
Link please.hipsterdufus said:That was a smart move by McCain. He knew the straw poll was rigged for Frist
hipsterdufus said:That was a smart move by McCain. He knew the straw poll was rigged for Frist - I heard Fristians were being bussed in - so McCain turned the tables. Frist ends up looking like the moron he is - oh he of video diagnostic skills. :roll:
Stu Ghatze said:WHY? ...because in this regard McCain is JUST like Bill Clinton. He will say, & DO anything to get elected, ..& IF that means being a bit disloyal to his president, ..he'll even stoop that low, ..which of course he has, ..time & again because he LOVES the applause & praise from the "left" a little too damn much!
Stu Ghatze said:...because in this regard McCain is JUST like Bill Clinton. ....
SouthernDemocrat said:Yeah, McCain has no conviction at all. He was only tortured and kept in solitary confinement by the North Vietnamese and held in the infamous Hanoi Hilton for 6 years, 2 of which were in solitary confinement. All the while our then future President was living it up drinking, partying, and snorting lines of coke. Yeah, McCain is not near the man our President is. :roll:
Hillary won’t even get the nomination. Most Democrats I know don’t even like her.Scarecrow Akhbar said:Oh, come on, McCain is the best man to get the GOP nomination in 2008...if you want Hillary as president.
As in deep as the Democrats were in that scandal, I doubt they would want to bring that back up. To my recollection, an investigation concluded that McCain was not involved in any pay to play or influence peddling in regards to the Savings and Loan scandal, but rather, the Democrats at the time wanted to try to extend the scandal beyond just Democrats.As soon as McCain got the nomination, the words "Keating Five" would re-surface....
More of a tobacco company bail out....the guy has so many negatives is it any wonder the lap-dog liberal press insists on naming him the GOP "front runner"?
Let's see...
He raised a couple billion dollars and gave it to the trial lawyers...the mechanism was called "The Tobacco Settlement".
Oh, you mean the McCain / Feingold Campaign Finance Reform that outlawed lobbyists from quite literally passing out checks to congressman on the congressional floor after they voted the lobbyists way? Man, that was a terrible idea.He co-authored a Rape the First Amendment and Protect the Incumbent Act, also called "Campaign Finance Reform". (Bush didn't win any friends by signing it, either)
No, McCain has this thing about not taking taxpayer money and funneling it through carefully crafted bills to big GOP or Democrat contributing industries and corporations. Which is exactly what the Medicare Drug Benefit did and what the Bush Administration proposed to do with Social Security. Corporate Welfare is not a solution.He sponsored an amnesty bill for the Invaders...oh, wait, Republicans don't like the "A" word for some reason. But that's what he did.
He's spews off against Bush's tax cuts, against any proposal to repair Socialist Security (which is fine. Apparently the only way to end the program is to follow the Democrats lead and let it destroy itself)
Yeah, that would be the bill that prevented the United States from TORTURING terrorism suspects. Terrible idea. :roll: I guess McCain is against this torturing thing because he himself was tortured by the North Vietnamese for 6 years. Of course what would Bush know about it being that he was out drinking and snorting coke at the time and Cheney was to busy with “other priorities” made possible by his 5 draft deferments.He introduces a bill intended to limit America's ability to question prisoners.
I know a lot of Dems that don’t like McCain. However, this one does and I don’t know who the Democrats could run off hand that would sway my vote away from McCain in 2008 assuming McCain runs.McCain's been a disaster for the US. No wonder Democrats like him so much.
SouthernDemocrat said:Hillary won’t even get the nomination. Most Democrats I know don’t even like her.
SouthernDemocrat said:As in deep as the Democrats were in that scandal, I doubt they would want to bring that back up. To my recollection, an investigation concluded that McCain was not involved in any pay to play or influence peddling in regards to the Savings and Loan scandal, but rather, the Democrats at the time wanted to try to extend the scandal beyond just Democrats.
SouthernDemocrat said:More of a tobacco company bail out.
SouthernDemocrat said:Oh, you mean the McCain / Feingold Campaign Finance Reform that outlawed lobbyists from quite literally passing out checks to congressman on the congressional floor after they voted the lobbyists way? Man, that was a terrible idea.
SouthernDemocrat said:No, McCain has this thing about not taking taxpayer money and funneling it through carefully crafted bills to big GOP or Democrat contributing industries and corporations. Which is exactly what the Medicare Drug Benefit did and what the Bush Administration proposed to do with Social Security. Corporate Welfare is not a solution.
SouthernDemocrat said:Yeah, that would be the bill that prevented the United States from TORTURING terrorism suspects. Terrible idea. :roll: I guess McCain is against this torturing thing because he himself was tortured by the North Vietnamese for 6 years. Of course what would Bush know about it being that he was out drinking and snorting coke at the time and Cheney was to busy with “other priorities” made possible by his 5 draft deferments.
SouthernDemocrat said:I know a lot of Dems that don’t like McCain.
SouthernDemocrat said:I know the guy is not a die hard partisan and that is why you don't like him,
Scarecrow Akhbar said:So the Red Queen won't take the South. There's too many Republicans down there anyway. But the whore will take the rust belt, the liberal coasts, and dumpy holes like Minnesota and Iowa.
Then again, you could name your favorite Democrat you think will get the nomination, and that person will still be the worst one for the job. There's not a prominent figure in the party that's worth two squats.
Oh, the Democrats have no qualms about pointing fingers that stink like a moslem's left hand. Remember 1992, where the biggest campaign issue of the Dems was how Bush lied, as they were promoting Clinton?
2000, when they claimed Gore was human?
2004, when they discussed Bush's alleged "draft dodging" (after promoting CLINTON!) as opposed to a Papercut Purple Heart Pansy named Kerry?
It was nothing but a tax on poor people, in the end.
No, I mean the McCain Feingold you can't run a political website with sponsored ads from political parties within sixty days of an election bill.
You want to reform campaign finance laws? Pass a law stating the money an American has is his to spend as he pleases, no exceptions. That's called "freedom". Anything else is anti-freedom.
McCain is opposed to taxpayer dollars? That's new. When did that happen?
And the net result of ANY bill banning "torture" would be the inability to question any suspect at any time, period.
The best thing to do with terrorists is to pump 'em full of drugs, hook 'em up to a polygraph, and hook 'em up to a cattle prod. Question them, determine truth baselines, and will to resist plateaus, and probe them in detail to extract as much truth as possible, using the cattle prod to condition untruths out of their system, as indicated by Mr. Polygraph.
T'ain't torture, t'is war. We ain't killing 'em, we ain't maiming them, and if they want, we'll even send them back home after the war with a full disclosure of absolutely everything they said during questioning. We should do that anyway.
Not the ones that want a Democrat to win.
How could McCain possibly be described as a liberal? He is a hawk. He is certainly not a friend of big government, and he is pro-life. You are confusing principles with partisan loyalty. Of course, then again, you guy on the far right also confuse nationalism with patriotism. Just the same, McCain is one of the few principled men in Washington and that is evidenced by the fact that he is not overly partisan and does not toe the party line at all costs. If McCain were president today, do you think we would have let these massive bloated budgets the Republican Congress passes without a veto once it reached his desk? Do you think McCain would have averaged 8% growth in federal spending each year over the past 6 years without even taking into account the war in Iraq or Katrina? I doubt it."Not a die hard partisan" is liberal speak for "one of us". That's all. He has no principles and is perfectly willing to compromise on anything to gain a temporary petty political advantage. That's our buddy John.
SouthernDemocrat said:Hillary won’t even get the nomination. Most Democrats I know don’t even like her.
As in deep as the Democrats were in that scandal, I doubt they would want to bring that back up. To my recollection, an investigation concluded that McCain was not involved in any pay to play or influence peddling in regards to the Savings and Loan scandal, but rather, the Democrats at the time wanted to try to extend the scandal beyond just Democrats.
More of a tobacco company bail out.
Oh, you mean the McCain / Feingold Campaign Finance Reform that outlawed lobbyists from quite literally passing out checks to congressman on the congressional floor after they voted the lobbyists way? Man, that was a terrible idea.
No, McCain has this thing about not taking taxpayer money and funneling it through carefully crafted bills to big GOP or Democrat contributing industries and corporations. Which is exactly what the Medicare Drug Benefit did and what the Bush Administration proposed to do with Social Security. Corporate Welfare is not a solution.
Yeah, that would be the bill that prevented the United States from TORTURING terrorism suspects. Terrible idea. :roll: I guess McCain is against this torturing thing because he himself was tortured by the North Vietnamese for 6 years. Of course what would Bush know about it being that he was out drinking and snorting coke at the time and Cheney was to busy with “other priorities” made possible by his 5 draft deferments.
I know a lot of Dems that don’t like McCain. However, this one does and I don’t know who the Democrats could run off hand that would sway my vote away from McCain in 2008 assuming McCain runs.
I know the guy is not a die hard partisan and that is why you don't like him, but most of us hate the die hard partisans be them Democrat or Republican and that is why so many moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats like McCain so much.
Yeah, that would be the bill that prevented the United States from TORTURING terrorism suspects. Terrible idea. :roll: I guess McCain is against this torturing thing because he himself was tortured by the North Vietnamese for 6 years. Of course what would Bush know about it being that he was out drinking and snorting coke at the time and Cheney was to busy with “other priorities” made possible by his 5 draft deferments.
SouthernDemocrat said:So your saying that if we elect John McCain in 2008, that like Bill Clinton, his administration will herald in one of the longest periods of peace and economic prosperity in our nations history, and that he, like Bill Clinton, will leave office after his two terms as one of the most popular presidents in American history?
What an endorsement. If your right, then McCain will certainly have my vote.
SouthernDemocrat said:Actually I no longer live in the South. That is unless one considers Kansas City the South. I am from Arkansas originally though. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, pretty much everyone liked him, and pretty much no one liked Hillary. Hillary is not her husband. I doubt she has the support of even half the Democrats. She has no chance at the nomination. All she is a scare tactic for Republican fundraisers.
SouthernDemocrat said:Fortunately, judging from the content of other posts you have written on these boards, I think that your ideological viewpoint is probably fairly marginal at best when compared the voting publics.
SouthernDemocrat said:Yeah of course the Republicans would never, ever, ever, claim that then President Clinton was a rapist or a murder or anything like that now would they?
SouthernDemocrat said:Gore is dull, but human. Very intelligent as well.
SouthernDemocrat said:Let’s see, Kerry volunteered for service in Vietnam and was decorated for his service.
SouthernDemocrat said:Bush used his daddy’s influence and power to jump ahead of 1000 other names to get into the guard, and he can’t even prove that showed up for much of his commitment. Just the same, you bash Kerry (as if there were not other things to bash Kerry about). Of course, it fits the pattern. You guys bashed McCain, Wesley Clark, and Max Cleland. Basically, ya’ll would swift boat Jesus Christ himself if he ran against a partisan conservative Republican.
SouthernDemocrat said:Only if poor people were forced to smoke. Basically, it prevented Trial Lawyers from individually going after the tobacco companies and of course, the Trial Lawyers were not to happy about it.
SouthernDemocrat said:No, that’s called corporate feudalism. It basically allows anyone with enough money to purchase congressional votes and elections. Why do you think the government has grown like a weed since the Republicans came to power? It’s all the favors they owe big contributors and deep pocket lobbyists. If you want elected officials to actually represent the people they were elected to represent, you have to quit treating money as free speech.
SouthernDemocrat said:No, McCain has been consistently opposed to corporate welfare, which by the way, we spend more on every year than every single social program combined.
SouthernDemocrat said:How do you possibly write about principles in the paragraph below, when you are endorsing torture here?
SouthernDemocrat said:Of course, but not everyone is a die hard partisan like yourself.
SouthernDemocrat said:How could McCain possibly be described as a liberal? He is a hawk. He is certainly not a friend of big government, and he is pro-life. You are confusing principles with partisan loyalty. Of course, then again, you guy on the far right also confuse nationalism with patriotism. Just the same, McCain is one of the few principled men in Washington and that is evidenced by the fact that he is not overly partisan and does not toe the party line at all costs. If McCain were president today, do you think we would have let these massive bloated budgets the Republican Congress passes without a veto once it reached his desk? Do you think McCain would have averaged 8% growth in federal spending each year over the past 6 years without even taking into account the war in Iraq or Katrina? I doubt it.
disneydude said:I hope the Republicans DO nominate Frist. He is one candidate that even Hilary can beat.
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