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McCain & the straw poll
Poor John McCain,..always thinking by his maverick positions, & enjoying to "oppose" president Bush on many issues "to the DELIGHT of the leftwing media" that loved to see another GOP'er critiscize Bush;...finally came to the realization that there are consequences for behaving like a two faced piece of shyte by trying to undermine the president!

Sure...coming in a big 4th (huh huh huh) on the straw vote poll for likely republican front runners didn't sit too well with him.

He should have thought about that when he was enjoying all his leftwing media support, ..& democratic party encouragment when he was "piling" on Bush.

Naturally hobnobing with the liberal elite democratic party congressional members who despise Mr. Bush, ..& the g-damn media "surely" would help him, or so he "thought"??

Now John McCain pretends to want to stand next to president Bush in his time of need, & poor poll showings to show support, ..the disingenuine turd.

Huh huh...& the lying media continues to refer to John McCain as the republican front runner.

Just wait until the democrats decide on their candidate, ..McCain will find out just how friendly the "two faced" media & his friendly democratic party allies he "thinks" he has,..not to mention the GOP voters who will make him pay a heavy price for ALL of his undermining of president Bush's policies, ..just to get the 'approval' from the left & the media!

McCain seriously mis-judged the GOP base, & did POORLY in the straw poll vote...& thought that by distancing himself from Bush would help him look more "acceptable" by being in the "middle" where it is usually much safer, & kowtowing to the liberal left, & mugging for the media.

Thats good, ..& now the two faced McCain can lose with his liberal friends,...after they backstab him first when it gets down to the nitty gritty of politicking.

A very fair price for having NO conviction, ..& honest principles by standing with his president in the good, & in the bad of times!
 

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Stu Ghatze said:
McCain & the straw poll
Poor John McCain,..always thinking by his maverick positions, & enjoying to "oppose" president Bush on many issues "to the DELIGHT of the leftwing media" that loved to see another GOP'er critiscize Bush;...finally came to the realization that there are consequences for behaving like a two faced piece of shyte by trying to undermine the president!

Sure...coming in a big 4th (huh huh huh) on the straw vote poll for likely republican front runners didn't sit too well with him.

He should have thought about that when he was enjoying all his leftwing media support, ..& democratic party encouragment when he was "piling" on Bush.

Naturally hobnobing with the liberal elite democratic party congressional members who despise Mr. Bush, ..& the g-damn media "surely" would help him, or so he "thought"??

Now John McCain pretends to want to stand next to president Bush in his time of need, & poor poll showings to show support, ..the disingenuine turd.

Huh huh...& the lying media continues to refer to John McCain as the republican front runner.

Just wait until the democrats decide on their candidate, ..McCain will find out just how friendly the "two faced" media & his friendly democratic party allies he "thinks" he has,..not to mention the GOP voters who will make him pay a heavy price for ALL of his undermining of president Bush's policies, ..just to get the 'approval' from the left & the media!

McCain seriously mis-judged the GOP base, & did POORLY in the straw poll vote...& thought that by distancing himself from Bush would help him look more "acceptable" by being in the "middle" where it is usually much safer, & kowtowing to the liberal left, & mugging for the media.

Thats good, ..& now the two faced McCain can lose with his liberal friends,...after they backstab him first when it gets down to the nitty gritty of politicking.

A very fair price for having NO conviction, ..& honest principles by standing with his president in the good, & in the bad of times!




I agree with you, John McCain is a two-faced liar, first he caters to the Democrats and then BOOM, he turns right and embraces and kisses that chimp again when convenient and instantly becomes a r-wing media darling and the dittoheads are happy!


Sometimes I like John McCain and then again sometimes I don't. Of course sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes I don't! :cool:
 

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McCain told his supporters to vote for Bush, rather than himself, in the straw poll as a symbolic show of support. And either way, a straw poll more than two years before the election means NOTHING.
 

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Stu Ghatze said:
.....A very fair price for having NO conviction, ..& honest principles by standing with his president in the good, & in the bad of times!
Yeah, McCain has no conviction at all. He was only tortured and kept in solitary confinement by the North Vietnamese and held in the infamous Hanoi Hilton for 6 years, 2 of which were in solitary confinement. All the while our then future President was living it up drinking, partying, and snorting lines of coke. Yeah, McCain is not near the man our President is. :roll:
 
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Stu Ghatze said:
McCain & the straw poll
Poor John McCain,..always thinking by his maverick positions, & enjoying to "oppose" president Bush on many issues "to the DELIGHT of the leftwing media" that loved to see another GOP'er critiscize Bush;...finally came to the realization that there are consequences for behaving like a two faced piece of shyte by trying to undermine the president!

Sure...coming in a big 4th (huh huh huh) on the straw vote poll for likely republican front runners didn't sit too well with him.

He should have thought about that when he was enjoying all his leftwing media support, ..& democratic party encouragment when he was "piling" on Bush.

Naturally hobnobing with the liberal elite democratic party congressional members who despise Mr. Bush, ..& the g-damn media "surely" would help him, or so he "thought"??

Now John McCain pretends to want to stand next to president Bush in his time of need, & poor poll showings to show support, ..the disingenuine turd.

Huh huh...& the lying media continues to refer to John McCain as the republican front runner.

Just wait until the democrats decide on their candidate, ..McCain will find out just how friendly the "two faced" media & his friendly democratic party allies he "thinks" he has,..not to mention the GOP voters who will make him pay a heavy price for ALL of his undermining of president Bush's policies, ..just to get the 'approval' from the left & the media!

McCain seriously mis-judged the GOP base, & did POORLY in the straw poll vote...& thought that by distancing himself from Bush would help him look more "acceptable" by being in the "middle" where it is usually much safer, & kowtowing to the liberal left, & mugging for the media.

Thats good, ..& now the two faced McCain can lose with his liberal friends,...after they backstab him first when it gets down to the nitty gritty of politicking.

A very fair price for having NO conviction, ..& honest principles by standing with his president in the good, & in the bad of times!
That was a smart move by McCain. He knew the straw poll was rigged for Frist - I heard Fristians were being bussed in - so McCain turned the tables. Frist ends up looking like the moron he is - oh he of video diagnostic skills. :roll:
 
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That was a smart move by McCain. He knew the straw poll was rigged for Frist
Link please.
 

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That was a smart move by McCain. He knew the straw poll was rigged for Frist - I heard Fristians were being bussed in - so McCain turned the tables. Frist ends up looking like the moron he is - oh he of video diagnostic skills. :roll:



Rigged for Frist..? Huh huh huh :2razz: hardly, its the PRICE that McCain deserved for not standing with Bush, & wanting to be embraced by the congressional, & academia liberals, & the beltway media as being an acceptable republican ally who opposes Bush.

The only polls that are "generally" rigged are the ones that the "Drive by liberal Media" puts out by the way in which THEY ask the questions to get THEIR desired poll results that THEY so seek.

...which has been to "attempt" to undermine Bush's presidency on the war in Iraq, on foreign policy, on domestic issues, ..& even on the biggest phoney issues that the liberals LOVE to hide under, ..which is "civil rights"!:smile:

The REAL mainstream majority might not agree with everything Bush does, ..but they are NOT gonna hang him out to dry, scandalize him, or criminalize him as the MEDIA so tries to portray.

And...the real mainstream voting majority of the GOP will NEVER give the VOTING support to McCain, ...even IF the republican hierarchy is STUPID enough to give the GOP nomination to McCain!

If the GOP nominates McCain in 08'...its the BEST chance the democrats have to retake the whitehouse; & that is EXACTLY WHY the media keeps wanting people to believe that McCain is the GOP frontrunner, ..cause' even THEY suspect that grass roots repubs will NOT support him, ..thus giving the presidency to the democratic party!

WHY? ...because in this regard McCain is JUST like Bill Clinton. He will say, & DO anything to get elected, ..& IF that means being a bit disloyal to his president, ..he'll even stoop that low, ..which of course he has, ..time & again because he LOVES the applause & praise from the "left" a little too damn much!;)
 

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Stu Ghatze said:
WHY? ...because in this regard McCain is JUST like Bill Clinton. He will say, & DO anything to get elected, ..& IF that means being a bit disloyal to his president, ..he'll even stoop that low, ..which of course he has, ..time & again because he LOVES the applause & praise from the "left" a little too damn much!;)
Why the hell should he be expected to be absolutely loyal to the president, just because they both have R's behind their names? This is not a monarchy.

I wish MORE politicians were less loyal to the top dogs in their parties.
 

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The straw poll was held in Tennessee. Kind of irrelevant to hold the poll in Frist's turf. Wait and see...
 

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Stu Ghatze said:
...because in this regard McCain is JUST like Bill Clinton. ....
So your saying that if we elect John McCain in 2008, that like Bill Clinton, his administration will herald in one of the longest periods of peace and economic prosperity in our nations history, and that he, like Bill Clinton, will leave office after his two terms as one of the most popular presidents in American history?

What an endorsement. If your right, then McCain will certainly have my vote.
 

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Yeah, McCain has no conviction at all. He was only tortured and kept in solitary confinement by the North Vietnamese and held in the infamous Hanoi Hilton for 6 years, 2 of which were in solitary confinement. All the while our then future President was living it up drinking, partying, and snorting lines of coke. Yeah, McCain is not near the man our President is. :roll:

Can I just say....freakin' ouch
 

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Oh, come on, McCain is the best man to get the GOP nomination in 2008...if you want Hillary as president.

As soon as McCain got the nomination, the words "Keating Five" would re-surface....

...the guy has so many negatives is it any wonder the lap-dog liberal press insists on naming him the GOP "front runner"?

Let's see...

He raised a couple billion dollars and gave it to the trial lawyers...the mechanism was called "The Tobacco Settlement".

He co-authored a Rape the First Amendment and Protect the Incumbent Act, also called "Campaign Finance Reform". (Bush didn't win any friends by signing it, either)

He sponsored an amnesty bill for the Invaders...oh, wait, Republicans don't like the "A" word for some reason. But that's what he did.

He's spews off against Bush's tax cuts, against any proposal to repair Socialist Security (which is fine. Apparently the only way to end the program is to follow the Democrats lead and let it destroy itself)

He introduces a bill intended to limit America's ability to question prisoners.

McCain's been a disaster for the US. No wonder Democrats like him so much.
 

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Oh, come on, McCain is the best man to get the GOP nomination in 2008...if you want Hillary as president.
Hillary won’t even get the nomination. Most Democrats I know don’t even like her.

As soon as McCain got the nomination, the words "Keating Five" would re-surface....
As in deep as the Democrats were in that scandal, I doubt they would want to bring that back up. To my recollection, an investigation concluded that McCain was not involved in any pay to play or influence peddling in regards to the Savings and Loan scandal, but rather, the Democrats at the time wanted to try to extend the scandal beyond just Democrats.

...the guy has so many negatives is it any wonder the lap-dog liberal press insists on naming him the GOP "front runner"?

Let's see...

He raised a couple billion dollars and gave it to the trial lawyers...the mechanism was called "The Tobacco Settlement".
More of a tobacco company bail out.

He co-authored a Rape the First Amendment and Protect the Incumbent Act, also called "Campaign Finance Reform". (Bush didn't win any friends by signing it, either)
Oh, you mean the McCain / Feingold Campaign Finance Reform that outlawed lobbyists from quite literally passing out checks to congressman on the congressional floor after they voted the lobbyists way? Man, that was a terrible idea.

He sponsored an amnesty bill for the Invaders...oh, wait, Republicans don't like the "A" word for some reason. But that's what he did.

He's spews off against Bush's tax cuts, against any proposal to repair Socialist Security (which is fine. Apparently the only way to end the program is to follow the Democrats lead and let it destroy itself)
No, McCain has this thing about not taking taxpayer money and funneling it through carefully crafted bills to big GOP or Democrat contributing industries and corporations. Which is exactly what the Medicare Drug Benefit did and what the Bush Administration proposed to do with Social Security. Corporate Welfare is not a solution.

He introduces a bill intended to limit America's ability to question prisoners.
Yeah, that would be the bill that prevented the United States from TORTURING terrorism suspects. Terrible idea. :roll: I guess McCain is against this torturing thing because he himself was tortured by the North Vietnamese for 6 years. Of course what would Bush know about it being that he was out drinking and snorting coke at the time and Cheney was to busy with “other priorities” made possible by his 5 draft deferments.

McCain's been a disaster for the US. No wonder Democrats like him so much.
I know a lot of Dems that don’t like McCain. However, this one does and I don’t know who the Democrats could run off hand that would sway my vote away from McCain in 2008 assuming McCain runs.

I know the guy is not a die hard partisan and that is why you don't like him, but most of us hate the die hard partisans be them Democrat or Republican and that is why so many moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats like McCain so much.
 
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Hillary won’t even get the nomination. Most Democrats I know don’t even like her.
So the Red Queen won't take the South. There's too many Republicans down there anyway. But the whore will take the rust belt, the liberal coasts, and dumpy holes like Minnesota and Iowa.

Then again, you could name your favorite Democrat you think will get the nomination, and that person will still be the worst one for the job. There's not a prominent figure in the party that's worth two squats.

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As in deep as the Democrats were in that scandal, I doubt they would want to bring that back up. To my recollection, an investigation concluded that McCain was not involved in any pay to play or influence peddling in regards to the Savings and Loan scandal, but rather, the Democrats at the time wanted to try to extend the scandal beyond just Democrats.
Oh, the Democrats have no qualms about pointing fingers that stink like a moslem's left hand. Remember 1992, where the biggest campaign issue of the Dems was how Bush lied, as they were promoting Clinton? 2000, when they claimed Gore was human? 2004, when they discussed Bush's alleged "draft dodging" (after promoting CLINTON!) as opposed to a Papercut Purple Heart Pansy named Kerry?

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More of a tobacco company bail out.
It was nothing but a tax on poor people, in the end.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Oh, you mean the McCain / Feingold Campaign Finance Reform that outlawed lobbyists from quite literally passing out checks to congressman on the congressional floor after they voted the lobbyists way? Man, that was a terrible idea.
No, I mean the McCain Feingold you can't run a political website with sponsored ads from political parties within sixty days of an election bill.

You want to reform campaign finance laws? Pass a law stating the money an American has is his to spend as he pleases, no exceptions. That's called "freedom". Anything else is anti-freedom.

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No, McCain has this thing about not taking taxpayer money and funneling it through carefully crafted bills to big GOP or Democrat contributing industries and corporations. Which is exactly what the Medicare Drug Benefit did and what the Bush Administration proposed to do with Social Security. Corporate Welfare is not a solution.
McCain is opposed to taxpayer dollars? That's new. When did that happen?

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Yeah, that would be the bill that prevented the United States from TORTURING terrorism suspects. Terrible idea. :roll: I guess McCain is against this torturing thing because he himself was tortured by the North Vietnamese for 6 years. Of course what would Bush know about it being that he was out drinking and snorting coke at the time and Cheney was to busy with “other priorities” made possible by his 5 draft deferments.
And the net result of ANY bill banning "torture" would be the inability to question any suspect at any time, period.

The best thing to do with terrorists is to pump 'em full of drugs, hook 'em up to a polygraph, and hook 'em up to a cattle prod. Question them, determine truth baselines, and will to resist plateaus, and probe them in detail to extract as much truth as possible, using the cattle prod to condition untruths out of their system, as indicated by Mr. Polygraph.

T'ain't torture, t'is war. We ain't killing 'em, we ain't maiming them, and if they want, we'll even send them back home after the war with a full disclosure of absolutely everything they said during questioning. We should do that anyway.

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I know a lot of Dems that don’t like McCain.
Not the ones that want a Democrat to win.

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I know the guy is not a die hard partisan and that is why you don't like him,
"Not a die hard partisan" is liberal speak for "one of us". That's all. He has no principles and is perfectly willing to compromise on anything to gain a temporary petty political advantage. That's our buddy John.
 

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So the Red Queen won't take the South. There's too many Republicans down there anyway. But the whore will take the rust belt, the liberal coasts, and dumpy holes like Minnesota and Iowa.
Actually I no longer live in the South. That is unless one considers Kansas City the South. I am from Arkansas originally though. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, pretty much everyone liked him, and pretty much no one liked Hillary. Hillary is not her husband. I doubt she has the support of even half the Democrats. She has no chance at the nomination. All she is a scare tactic for Republican fundraisers.

Then again, you could name your favorite Democrat you think will get the nomination, and that person will still be the worst one for the job. There's not a prominent figure in the party that's worth two squats.
Fortunately, judging from the content of other posts you have written on these boards, I think that your ideological viewpoint is probably fairly marginal at best when compared the voting publics.

Oh, the Democrats have no qualms about pointing fingers that stink like a moslem's left hand. Remember 1992, where the biggest campaign issue of the Dems was how Bush lied, as they were promoting Clinton?
Yeah of course the Republicans would never, ever, ever, claim that then President Clinton was a rapist or a murder or anything like that now would they?

2000, when they claimed Gore was human?
Gore is dull, but human. Very intelligent as well.

2004, when they discussed Bush's alleged "draft dodging" (after promoting CLINTON!) as opposed to a Papercut Purple Heart Pansy named Kerry?
Let’s see, Kerry volunteered for service in Vietnam and was decorated for his service. Bush used his daddy’s influence and power to jump ahead of 1000 other names to get into the guard, and he can’t even prove that showed up for much of his commitment. Just the same, you bash Kerry (as if there were not other things to bash Kerry about). Of course, it fits the pattern. You guys bashed McCain, Wesley Clark, and Max Cleland. Basically, ya’ll would swift boat Jesus Christ himself if he ran against a partisan conservative Republican.

It was nothing but a tax on poor people, in the end.
Only if poor people were forced to smoke. Basically, it prevented Trial Lawyers from individually going after the tobacco companies and of course, the Trial Lawyers were not to happy about it.




No, I mean the McCain Feingold you can't run a political website with sponsored ads from political parties within sixty days of an election bill.

You want to reform campaign finance laws? Pass a law stating the money an American has is his to spend as he pleases, no exceptions. That's called "freedom". Anything else is anti-freedom.
No, that’s called corporate feudalism. It basically allows anyone with enough money to purchase congressional votes and elections. Why do you think the government has grown like a weed since the Republicans came to power? It’s all the favors they owe big contributors and deep pocket lobbyists. If you want elected officials to actually represent the people they were elected to represent, you have to quit treating money as free speech.

McCain is opposed to taxpayer dollars? That's new. When did that happen?
No, McCain has been consistently opposed to corporate welfare, which by the way, we spend more on every year than every single social program combined.

And the net result of ANY bill banning "torture" would be the inability to question any suspect at any time, period.

The best thing to do with terrorists is to pump 'em full of drugs, hook 'em up to a polygraph, and hook 'em up to a cattle prod. Question them, determine truth baselines, and will to resist plateaus, and probe them in detail to extract as much truth as possible, using the cattle prod to condition untruths out of their system, as indicated by Mr. Polygraph.

T'ain't torture, t'is war. We ain't killing 'em, we ain't maiming them, and if they want, we'll even send them back home after the war with a full disclosure of absolutely everything they said during questioning. We should do that anyway.
How do you possibly write about principles in the paragraph below, when you are endorsing torture here?

Not the ones that want a Democrat to win.
Of course, but not everyone is a die hard partisan like yourself.

"Not a die hard partisan" is liberal speak for "one of us". That's all. He has no principles and is perfectly willing to compromise on anything to gain a temporary petty political advantage. That's our buddy John.
How could McCain possibly be described as a liberal? He is a hawk. He is certainly not a friend of big government, and he is pro-life. You are confusing principles with partisan loyalty. Of course, then again, you guy on the far right also confuse nationalism with patriotism. Just the same, McCain is one of the few principled men in Washington and that is evidenced by the fact that he is not overly partisan and does not toe the party line at all costs. If McCain were president today, do you think we would have let these massive bloated budgets the Republican Congress passes without a veto once it reached his desk? Do you think McCain would have averaged 8% growth in federal spending each year over the past 6 years without even taking into account the war in Iraq or Katrina? I doubt it.
 

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Hillary won’t even get the nomination. Most Democrats I know don’t even like her.


As in deep as the Democrats were in that scandal, I doubt they would want to bring that back up. To my recollection, an investigation concluded that McCain was not involved in any pay to play or influence peddling in regards to the Savings and Loan scandal, but rather, the Democrats at the time wanted to try to extend the scandal beyond just Democrats.


More of a tobacco company bail out.


Oh, you mean the McCain / Feingold Campaign Finance Reform that outlawed lobbyists from quite literally passing out checks to congressman on the congressional floor after they voted the lobbyists way? Man, that was a terrible idea.


No, McCain has this thing about not taking taxpayer money and funneling it through carefully crafted bills to big GOP or Democrat contributing industries and corporations. Which is exactly what the Medicare Drug Benefit did and what the Bush Administration proposed to do with Social Security. Corporate Welfare is not a solution.


Yeah, that would be the bill that prevented the United States from TORTURING terrorism suspects. Terrible idea. :roll: I guess McCain is against this torturing thing because he himself was tortured by the North Vietnamese for 6 years. Of course what would Bush know about it being that he was out drinking and snorting coke at the time and Cheney was to busy with “other priorities” made possible by his 5 draft deferments.


I know a lot of Dems that don’t like McCain. However, this one does and I don’t know who the Democrats could run off hand that would sway my vote away from McCain in 2008 assuming McCain runs.

I know the guy is not a die hard partisan and that is why you don't like him, but most of us hate the die hard partisans be them Democrat or Republican and that is why so many moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats like McCain so much.
Well said, Southern, but I can't let this pass, wouldn't want Scarecrow, not to be able to do his torture thing:

Yeah, that would be the bill that prevented the United States from TORTURING terrorism suspects. Terrible idea. :roll: I guess McCain is against this torturing thing because he himself was tortured by the North Vietnamese for 6 years. Of course what would Bush know about it being that he was out drinking and snorting coke at the time and Cheney was to busy with “other priorities” made possible by his 5 draft deferments.
When Bush signed this, he also added, unless he (Bush) says so.
 

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So your saying that if we elect John McCain in 2008, that like Bill Clinton, his administration will herald in one of the longest periods of peace and economic prosperity in our nations history, and that he, like Bill Clinton, will leave office after his two terms as one of the most popular presidents in American history?

What an endorsement. If your right, then McCain will certainly have my vote.



Peace & prosperity? Even when we do have it, the media neglects to tell you, unless of course we have a fine self righteous democratic party president that enjoys IGNORING world terrorism as Clinton did, cause' Clinton didn't like to tackle such things.;)
 

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I hope the Republicans DO nominate Frist. He is one candidate that even Hilary can beat.
 

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Frist won only because he was in his home state. He won't take the rep nod. McCain may **** off the really radical right wingers, but he is probably the only politician on either side of the aisle that stands for what he believes in, and votes as he feels his electors want.
I think we need someone like him in office, as he has the ability and knowledge to bring about a little more cohesion. Partisian politics are, sadly, here to stay, and we seem to now have nearly as many yellow dog republicans as we do yellow dog democrats, and that doesn't benefit the American people. (Sorry. The world can get phucked as far as I am concerned. We need to fix our house before we worry about our neighbors.)
 

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Actually I no longer live in the South. That is unless one considers Kansas City the South. I am from Arkansas originally though. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, pretty much everyone liked him, and pretty much no one liked Hillary. Hillary is not her husband. I doubt she has the support of even half the Democrats. She has no chance at the nomination. All she is a scare tactic for Republican fundraisers.
She's the leader of the dog pack.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Fortunately, judging from the content of other posts you have written on these boards, I think that your ideological viewpoint is probably fairly marginal at best when compared the voting publics.
That means the majority is wrong, something that is evident in every society throughout history.

My political philosophy is rational. That puts me at odds with just about everyone.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Yeah of course the Republicans would never, ever, ever, claim that then President Clinton was a rapist or a murder or anything like that now would they?
They couldn't call The Rapist a rapist until they had evidence, no. They're not exactly like Democrats after all. Only almost. Now it's known that Clinton is a rapist, so using the term is honest.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Gore is dull, but human. Very intelligent as well.
Boy, that judgement calls for re-definition of the word 'intelligent'...

SouthernDemocrat said:
Let’s see, Kerry volunteered for service in Vietnam and was decorated for his service.
Kerry LIED to get medals he didn't deserve and he PUSHED to get Purple Hearts for wounds men would be embarassed to mention. Then there's the lie about how he was in Cambodia...but when he was in 'Nam busy running away from battles, Nixon wasn't president and we weren't doing ops in Cambodia. Funny how you defend him though. Monica wanted to swallow, too.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Bush used his daddy’s influence and power to jump ahead of 1000 other names to get into the guard, and he can’t even prove that showed up for much of his commitment. Just the same, you bash Kerry (as if there were not other things to bash Kerry about). Of course, it fits the pattern. You guys bashed McCain, Wesley Clark, and Max Cleland. Basically, ya’ll would swift boat Jesus Christ himself if he ran against a partisan conservative Republican.
I have no use for Jesus. If he told lies like Clinton or Gore or Kerry did, you can bet your sweet donkey I'd treat him the same way I treat the Bushes or anyone else.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Only if poor people were forced to smoke. Basically, it prevented Trial Lawyers from individually going after the tobacco companies and of course, the Trial Lawyers were not to happy about it.
Yeah, especially those trial lawyers whose equivalent billing rates hit $100,000 per hour. They were just crying. And, again, the people paying the price are the poor. Nice dodge, though. Suddenly a Democrat is advocating voluntary taxation.

SouthernDemocrat said:
No, that’s called corporate feudalism. It basically allows anyone with enough money to purchase congressional votes and elections. Why do you think the government has grown like a weed since the Republicans came to power? It’s all the favors they owe big contributors and deep pocket lobbyists. If you want elected officials to actually represent the people they were elected to represent, you have to quit treating money as free speech.
It's called "corruption". Why dress it up with big words when it shouldn't be tolerated no matter what costume it's wearing? The government has grown as it has because the Republicans are just like Democrats, except that Democrats didn't have a consituency opposed to spending. The Republicans figure that their voters don't have anyplace else to go, so they think they can get away with more.

SouthernDemocrat said:
No, McCain has been consistently opposed to corporate welfare, which by the way, we spend more on every year than every single social program combined.
McCain hasn't demanded the dismantling of any single program, he's opposed privatizing socialist security, and in general he's been the Democrat's patsy. I haven't paid enough attention to him to see which corporate pies he's got his fingers in, but he's a senator, so there's a whole bakery section out there with his name on it.

SouthernDemocrat said:
How do you possibly write about principles in the paragraph below, when you are endorsing torture here?
Inflicting pain and humiliation on prisoners for the purpoes of inflicting pain and humiliation is obscene. Scientifically applied questioning for the purpose of extracting militarily vital information in a timely manner is a tool that has the potential to American lives. Please try to be rational. The victim under question doesn't have to have his nuts electrocuted if he tells the truth. It's his choice. He'll break quicker when we know his lies and condition him out of them.

And see? You're opposed to any form of effective questioning. Wars are won with intelligence. Placing absurdly emotional restrictions on interrogation techniques risks losing that intelligence, and thus risks the war.

SouthernDemocrat said:
Of course, but not everyone is a die hard partisan like yourself.
Ya right! I'm a partisan...or is that a party son? Whatever. First you claim to read my posts and have knowledge of my positions, then you come out with this gag.

SouthernDemocrat said:
How could McCain possibly be described as a liberal? He is a hawk. He is certainly not a friend of big government, and he is pro-life. You are confusing principles with partisan loyalty. Of course, then again, you guy on the far right also confuse nationalism with patriotism. Just the same, McCain is one of the few principled men in Washington and that is evidenced by the fact that he is not overly partisan and does not toe the party line at all costs. If McCain were president today, do you think we would have let these massive bloated budgets the Republican Congress passes without a veto once it reached his desk? Do you think McCain would have averaged 8% growth in federal spending each year over the past 6 years without even taking into account the war in Iraq or Katrina? I doubt it.
He's a liberal. He took the bleeding heart surrender monkey position on prisoner interrogations, didn't he? He's pushing Bush's amnesty plan for the Invaders, isn't he? He raised taxes on the poor to punish companies selling a perfectly legal product in accordance with all laws, didn't he?
 

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disneydude said:
I hope the Republicans DO nominate Frist. He is one candidate that even Hilary can beat.



The problem for Frist is that his "face" is not that well known. As far as Hillary goes, ..she will NEVER be president regardless IF the democratic party even is stupid enough to give her the nomination! :smile:

She has NO chance, ..but don't tell her that cause' she is out trying to re-invent herself as "mainstream" , ..typical behavior of a liberal, hiding her true identity, & anything but liberal, ..until or if she could ever be lucky enough to win, ..& then thats WHEN the mask comes off just like with hubby Billy who FALSLEY campaigned as a "centrist"!:smile:
 

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Ok....I don't normally do this......but.

(on my knees). Please , please, please, please,.....republicans give Frist your nomination.....please, please, please, please.
 
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