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Maybe Tim Walz is the leader of the Dems?

That you think Harris rubbing even further left would have helped her election chances shows a rather shocking level of denying reality.

Keep burying your head in the sand. It’s a good look for you
 
Dans La Lune said:
She didn't run on any of that. She campaigned on being a moderate / right-wing alternative to Trump, hence sidelining Bernie Sanders and Tim Walz in favor of Liz Cheney.
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Yeah clearly not too many people believed her supposed shift to the center.
 
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Parker_Chess said:
I like Tim Walz. He's a former teacher and football coach. It's the type of leadership we need.
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well you also think we need a dictator so there is that.

Didn’t say much about your thinking ability.
 
Gatsby said:
Because he isn't actually any kind of leftist or a liberal. He just wants to LARP about how much he supposedly hates Trump. Even though his actual political objectives are pretty much entirely aligned with the average Trump voter.
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I believe you might be getting different posters confused. I was responding to @Dans La Lune
 
And under Timmy, the DNC's new messaging will be: "Tampons in every Mens Restroom in America!"
 
braindrain said:
That you think Harris rubbing even further left would have helped her election chances shows a rather shocking level of denying reality.

Keep burying your head in the sand. It’s a good look for you
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'Damning' New Poll Shows Price Kamala Harris Paid for Backing Israeli Genocide in Gaza | Common Dreams

Vice President Kamala Harris' refusal to break with the Biden administration's support for Israel's assault on Gaza cost her millions of potential Democratic voters. Will the Democratic Party learn from this and listen to its voters who want leaders to oppose sending more weapons to Israel...
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"The top reason those non-voters cited, above the economy at 24% and immigration at 11%, was Gaza: a full 29% cited the ongoing onslaught as the top reason they didn't cast a vote in 2024," wrote Ryan Grim at Drop Site News, the first outlet to report the news.

In states that swung from Biden in 2020 to President-elect Donald Trump in 2024, 20% of non-voters said Gaza was the reason they didn't cast a ballot in November.

After replacing Biden as the nominee in July, Harris faced pressure—as the president had—to take decisive action to end U.S. support for Israel's assault on Gaza, which has now killed more than 46,000 Palestinians, the majority of whom have been civilian men, women, and children."
 

'Damning' New Poll Shows Price Kamala Harris Paid for Backing Israeli Genocide in Gaza | Common Dreams

Vice President Kamala Harris' refusal to break with the Biden administration's support for Israel's assault on Gaza cost her millions of potential Democratic voters. Will the Democratic Party learn from this and listen to its voters who want leaders to oppose sending more weapons to Israel...
www.commondreams.org

"The top reason those non-voters cited, above the economy at 24% and immigration at 11%, was Gaza: a full 29% cited the ongoing onslaught as the top reason they didn't cast a vote in 2024," wrote Ryan Grim at Drop Site News, the first outlet to report the news.

In states that swung from Biden in 2020 to President-elect Donald Trump in 2024, 20% of non-voters said Gaza was the reason they didn't cast a ballot in November.

After replacing Biden as the nominee in July, Harris faced pressure—as the president had—to take decisive action to end U.S. support for Israel's assault on Gaza, which has now killed more than 46,000 Palestinians, the majority of whom have been civilian men, women, and children."
 
Gatsby said:
Because he isn't actually any kind of leftist or a liberal. He just wants to LARP about how much he supposedly hates Trump. Even though his actual political objectives are pretty much entirely aligned with the average Trump voter.
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You're a Republican.
 
Dans La Lune said:
You're a Republican.
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One of the two of us voted for Kamala Harris and congressional Democrats. It wasn't you.

You got the election outcome you wanted. Be happy.
 
Gatsby said:
One of the two of us voted for Kamala Harris and congressional Democrats. It wasn't you.

You got the election outcome you wanted. Be happy.
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Only thing worse than a Republican is one working within the Democratic party to sabotage it. They ran your campaign and you lost. Accept it.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Only thing worse than a Republican is one working within the Democratic party to sabotage it. They ran your campaign and you lost. Accept it.
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If it were up to me, Kamala Harris would have loudly and repeatedly denounced people like you and firmly declared that the Democratic Party is no place for extremists. Which would have been a win-win since you extremists made it clear that you don't want to be part of the Democratic Party anyway.

They should have done more to appeal to the large number of voters in the middle, instead of the small number of crazies who were never going to vote for them anyway.
 
Gatsby said:
If it were up to me, Kamala Harris would have loudly and repeatedly denounced people like you and firmly declared that the Democratic Party is no place for extremists.
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And you would have lost worse. But you'd STILL get the policies you want, in the Republican party.


They should kick people like you and Cuomo and Adams out of the party, since you guys are basically Republicans anyway.
 
Dans La Lune said:
And you would have lost worse. But you'd STILL get the policies you want, in the Republican party.

They should kick people like you and Cuomo and Adams out of the party, since you guys are basically Republicans anyway.
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Unfortunately for you, you have a bit of a math problem. If you only want the votes of people who are to the left of 99% of the electorate, and want to kick out the people who are to the left of 70% of the electorate for being insufficiently pure, that makes it rather difficult for you to win elections. Since in a first-past-the-post system with (usually) two competitive candidates, you'll need at least 50% or thereabouts to win.
 

Name one of your popular policies that people rally around. All of the policies I support are popular.
 
The reason people are fleeing from MSNBC to independent (progressive) media is because the neoliberal democratic establishment has failed them time and time again. 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024. It's been a series of failures and backsliding. People are sick of it.
 
I think you are right. The Democrats should definitely push to go further left. It’s why people like B Sanders and E Warren have done so well in national elections.

The fact that the candidates who actually got elected president all moved to the center in order to win I am sure has no bearing on this.


The out of touch little bubble you live in is really out there.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Name one of your popular policies that people rally around. All of the policies I support are popular.
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You support puberty blockers to mutilate the bodies of minors who don't conform to your sexist stereotypes of how boys or girls are supposed to behave. No, that's not popular. Not to mention it's utterly batshit insane.
 
Gatsby said:
You support puberty blockers to mutilate the bodies of minors who don't conform to your sexist stereotypes of how boys or girls are supposed to behave. No, that's not popular. Not to mention it's utterly batshit insane.
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HAHA you just outed yourself again. ****ing Republicans.
 

Okay, name someone in the mold of your ideal Democratic candidate. Why are moderates and centrists so afraid of naming someone? Is it because when they are inspected they will be revealed as unpopular?
 
Dans La Lune said:
Okay, name someone in the mold of your ideal Democratic candidate. Why are moderates and centrists so afraid of naming someone? Is it because when they are inspected they will be revealed as unpopular?
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Coming from the person that thinks that the democrats need to move further left despite the fact the times far left politicians have run they can’t even get the nomination vs moderate republicans that’s pretty hilarious.

Meanwhile Clinton. Quite moderate. Obama pretty moderate, Biden rather moderate.
Tell me what do all three of those politicians have in common that your far left wing candidates don’t have.
 
braindrain said:
Meanwhile Clinton. Quite moderate. Obama pretty moderate, Biden rather moderate.
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Clinton, a scandal-ridden sexual predator. Obama was definitely moderate, although he RAN as a progressive. He gave us Trump. And Biden gave us Trump 2.0.

braindrain said:
Tell me what do all three of those politicians have in common that your far left wing candidates don’t have.
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They all enacted Republican policies.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Okay, name someone in the mold of your ideal Democratic candidate. Why are moderates and centrists so afraid of naming someone? Is it because when they are inspected they will be revealed as unpopular?
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The popular governor of a red or purple state would be the logical place to start looking. The one you cited in the OP, Tim Walz, would probably be fine. Andy Beshear, Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, Katie Hobbs. Subject to revision if any of them fall out of favor with their voters, of course.

And then...and this is important: They have to actually campaign as a moderate and (if they win) govern as a moderate. No defunding the police. No sex changes for minors. No...whatever the hell is the next insanity people like you demand as a litmus test. In fact, one of the most important qualities of a good candidate will be telling extremists to **** off.
 
Dans La Lune said:
They all enacted Republican policies.
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If the voters keep electing actual Republicans, and/or Democrats who you characterize as "enacting Republican policies," then your ideas clearly don't have much buy-in with the voters.
 
Gatsby said:
The popular governor of a red or purple state would be the logical place to start looking. The one you cited in the OP, Tim Walz, would probably be fine.
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Why? He defends transgender rights effectively against right-wing weirdos.


The policy of defunding police is ACTUALLY good, since it reallocates funding to areas that police are not equipped to handle (police themselves will tell you that). You just need to have a politician who isn't afraid of standing up to right-wing messaging tactics. 'No sex change for minors' is SOOO ****ing lazy. You really are a right-wing reactionary.
 
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