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Maybe Tim Walz is the leader of the Dems?

Dans La Lune

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It's ironic that I'm suggesting that Tim Walz is the leader of the Democratic Party when I wouldn't vote for Kamala, even with Tim Walz as half the ticket. Maybe they should have used Tim Walz more? Also, why don't Dems want to be popular? Any thoughts on that?
 
I guess since AOC could soon be going to jail for employing illegal immigrants on her staff, maybe crazy Tim Walz is the best shot for the batshit insane candidate of the Anti-Trump Party, previously know as the democratic party. I still think most neo-leftists are carbon copies of Adam Schiff and he is the poster boy of the Anti-Trump Party. Then there are Jeffries and Schumer, who are like Lite versions of Adam Schiff. But we still have yet to identify the priorities on the Anti-Trump Party. Is Trans Everything still the main goal, or is Get Trump!! the main goal? Hard to tell, but it seems the Anti-Trump Party is trying to keep the Trans Everything goal subdued since only a few percent of the population actually likes the idea. So maybe the goal is to Trojan horse the trans agenda behind the Get Trump!! agenda. But who knows, the Anti-Trump Party has very little leadership at the moment.
 
Dans La Lune said:
...It's ironic that I'm suggesting that Tim Walz is the leader of the Democratic Party when I wouldn't vote for Kamala, even with Tim Walz as half the ticket. Maybe they should have used Tim Walz more? Also, why don't Dems want to be popular? Any thoughts on that?
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My thought on that is that everyone who refused to vote for Harris was a huge help in putting a convicted lush in the WH...
 
Big Brother said:
I guess since AOC could soon be going to jail for employing illegal immigrants on her staff,
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So lets send trump to jail he hires illegals in his hotels what point are you making rich people use illegals for cheap labor all the time so lets send them all to jail aswell.

The farmers that hire illegals lets shut down the farms too less food being produced for the population with the farmers in jail.
 
Big Brother said:
we still have yet to identify the priorities on the Anti-Trump Party. Is Trans Everything still the main goal, or is Get Trump!! the main goal? Hard to tell,
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Its conservatives who are the Anti Biden Party and its your party who makes everything about trans the right wing says the word trans more than a actual trans gender person does they have a obsession with talking about it. All i ever hear from conservatives is biden sucks vaccines are poison global warmings a hoax hunter biden laptop trans people are bad laptop laptop trans trans sports sports trans and using sports teams to justify dehumanizing lgbt people when trans is only 1 percent of the population and that barely happens when they play on a sports team anyway. Its the right wing who jokes about lgbt suicide rates caused by shaming them or the religious people who say "your a sinner your gonna burn in hell" which causes people to commit suicide.
 
aociswundumho said:
Really? She's the most leftist democrat around. Why wouldn't you vote for her?
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She was to the right of Biden on most policy issues, and at best equal to Biden on foreign policy (i.e. very right-wing). Why do you think she is Leftist? Because she's black?
 
SoCal said:
My thought on that is that everyone who refused to vote for Harris was a huge help in putting a convicted lush in the WH...
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I think those Democrats who failed to hold Biden and Harris to account helped far, far more to enable Trump than anything I could possible have done. Vote shaming is what LOSERS do after they've lost and have to blame someone other than themselves.
 
They should have deployed Tim Walz, who knows how to speak about progressive policy and push back against right-wing weirdoism. Kamala's highest point was just after she selected Tim Walz, just before he was shoved in a closet with his mouth duct-tapped shut.
 
Oh FFS no, Democrats huddling behind Tim Walz as the "leader" is an awful idea. During the loss speech (really speeches, as in plural) he rambled on and on about "playing it safe" was the reason for the loss entirely overlooking that the ticket and the party ignored the working class.

They should be focused on the midterms and the message to the very voters they lost in 2024 to Trump, who pretended the working class and their households mattered to him.
 
Dans La Lune said:
I think those Democrats who failed to hold Biden and Harris to account helped far, far more to enable Trump than anything I could possible have done. Vote shaming is what LOSERS do after they've lost and have to blame someone other than themselves.
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Now imagine if the neo-leftists, who have a remarkable talent for holding Trump accountable, actually held their own politicians to the very same level of accountability? The Anti-Trump Party, previously known as the democratic party, would have the world's best politicians and would never have to worry about being beaten by politicians like Trump ever again.
 
Big Brother said:
Now imagine if the neo-leftists, who have a remarkable talent for holding Trump accountable, actually held their own politicians to the very same level of accountability? The Anti-Trump Party, previously known as the democratic party, would have the world's best politicians and would never have to worry about being beaten by politicians like Trump ever again.
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How is Trump held accountable? His voters just follow whatever he says, and the Left have no impact on him whatsoever. Trump has virtual immunity from all political or legal consequences. Voters can hold the Dems accountable, but they are not equipped to hold the Republicans accountable. Hence why Dem voters should focus on Dems and not Republicans.
 
aociswundumho said:
She supports medicare for all, higher taxes, more gun control, environmental bullshit, etc.
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She didn't run on any of that. She campaigned on being a moderate / right-wing alternative to Trump, hence sidelining Bernie Sanders and Tim Walz in favor of Liz Cheney.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Oh FFS no, Democrats huddling behind Tim Walz as the "leader" is an awful idea. During the loss speech (really speeches, as in plural) he rambled on and on about "playing it safe" was the reason for the loss entirely overlooking that the ticket and the party ignored the working class.

They should be focused on the midterms and the message to the very voters they lost in 2024 to Trump, who pretended the working class and their households mattered to him.
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Name a politician better than Tim Walz.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Name a politician better than Tim Walz.
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An unknown, that is the problem with Democrats today, too aristocratic and those making the noise are all relics of the party.
 
OrphanSlug said:
An unknown, that is the problem with Democrats today, too aristocratic and those making the noise are all relics of the party.
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Who is the closest among those who exist in public today?
 
Dans La Lune said:
Who is the closest among those who exist in public today?
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Unsure if it is tone deaf or what, I do not have a name nor do I have to. There may be several in the party I like but that does not mean they would appeal nationally, which is the very problem I am talking about when it comes to the typical path for Dems to win the White House.
 
Dans La Lune said:
How is Trump held accountable? His voters just follow whatever he says, and the Left have no impact on him whatsoever. Trump has virtual immunity from all political or legal consequences. Voters can hold the Dems accountable, but they are not equipped to hold the Republicans accountable. Hence why Dem voters should focus on Dems and not Republicans.
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If the left has no impact on Trump then why does the left spend every last waking minute trying to Get Trump!!! and nothing else? Look at this forum, there are 200 or so neo-leftists here who spend their entire day posting Trump Hate, you included. If it has no impact, why do it? Are all the neo-leftists here paid to post Trump Hate? Is that it? Let me make a bold prediction: The minute the entire left stops focusing on Trump and focuses solely on becoming a better party that truly does care for the working class and is willing to give up Big Money, well, that is the minute the people start taking the left seriously.
 
RetiredUSN said:
What sort of codswallop is he going on about now? :unsure:
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Had to look that one up—apropos for Walz.
Thanks for the new word. Fits right alongside of Cockwomble.
 
Big Brother said:
If the left has no impact on Trump then why does the left spend every last waking minute trying to Get Trump!!! and nothing else? Look at this forum, there are 200 or so neo-leftists here who spend their entire day posting Trump Hate, you included. If it has no impact, why do it? Are all the neo-leftists here paid to post Trump Hate? Is that it? Let me make a bold prediction: The minute the entire left stops focusing on Trump and focuses solely on becoming a better party that truly does care for the working class and is willing to give up Big Money, well, that is the minute the people start taking the left seriously.
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That was a good post and well said.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Unsure if it is tone deaf or what, I do not have a name nor do I have to. There may be several in the party I like but that does not mean they would appeal nationally, which is the very problem I am talking about when it comes to the typical path for Dems to win the White House.
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So a Democrat that doesn't exist, cannot be defined, does not adhere to any Democratic principle to the extent that he/she cannot be identified with, is going to be the most appealing Democrat to combat Trumpism and placate the working class?

Okie dokie. Not sure why you're having trouble even setting the criteria a Dem would have to follow to be appealing.

I can do it pretty easily. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't think I am, but I at least I can be held to a coherent standard.
 
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