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Maybe this will change a mind [W:223, 278,342, 805]

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RamFel said:
No, because it is not dead. It is alive and neither you, or the woman, or a doctor, judge, or the law has the right to KILL IT.
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No, it is living, it is not yet alive. It may grow into fetus that is capable of sustaining life but guess what, until birth nothing is ever "alive". I am alive but a zygote is not "alive" it is merely living.
 
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Given when the mother's life is in danger, and there are no other options, it would seem prudent to at least save one life rather than lose both of them.

Is it, or is it not, part of an abortion to pull a living fetus apart? So that'd be factual information and little more.

You are trying to get me to support abortions, and I don't. I don't support banning abortions either. Call my position a sort of middle ground between the two. If you call that a hypocritical position, fine. I don't think that I would.

Thankfully the situation of the mother's life in danger and forcing the choice of losing both, or saving the mother, is one that's by far not the most prevalent, and I'll wager is rather the rarity and exception than the norm.

I'd be more inclined to believe that abortion is most often a late, far too late really, contraception decision.
 
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Yeah, you can type the letters lamo all you want, but it won't do you any good.

SO you think that by telling us that you support non-existent rights that you're doing some good? But you forget all the bad that you do. Tsk tsk...
SO you think that we do not support life? But we try to save what you say can't be killed because it is not alive. If that doesn't deserve a LAMO, then nothing does.
SO you thing that a fetus is not alive. Even though it is the very essence of life. It grows constantly. It develops organs, its heart beats. Dead did you say?
SO you dare to compare good deeds with us? A woman's inconvenience for a baby's life?

Do me a favor. I need to demonstrate to the entire DP membership and staff how wrong a person can be. You can help me by continuing to respond to my posts.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Minnie, I do love some Pro-Life Organization Propaganda. Thanks for pointing out THE TRUTH, which Obama himself pointed out.
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Exactly.
Illinois already had a law requiring that any babies born alive had to be cared for.
Obama wanted to keep that law in place.
 
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Non existing rights?

Well, the supreme court in the US would clearly disagree with you wholeheartedly on that one.

No, most of the anti-abortion crowd care more about the rights of a zygote than those of women and of actual living people (including children).

Can a zygote exist away from the pregnant woman? Or the 3 week old embryo? Or how about the 13 week old higher function brain dead fetus? It may be living and in time able to be "alive" like you and myself but at the time most women have an abortion it is not "alive".

And a pregnancy against your will or a bearing a child against your will is not an inconvenience, saying that just shows you have a complete lack of respect for the right of women and pregnancy as a whole. Also, no baby's life is ended by a legal first trimester abortion and claiming anything else is nonsense.

And with regard to your last sentence I could respond in kind but as I have the legal right and facts on my side I do not feel inclined to do so.
 
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RamFel said:
No, because it is not dead. It is alive and neither you, or the woman, or a doctor, judge, or the law has the right to KILL IT.
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Reality disagrees with you.

No other man or woman, or doctor, judge, or the law has the right to force continued uterine **hospitality** (especially hospitality **given** to a PRE viable entity) on any woman...

Just sayin.
 
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As long as you don't support a ban, I could care less about someone else's personal preference. Because it is just that -- personal.

IMHO, that's how most pro-choicers are.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Wonder why A FEW pro-life deem it necessary to repeatedly attempt to undermine, in such an abject manner, the widely used term "ZEF" (by laypersons and professional alike)? What a waste of finger energy.
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It's an attempt to divert from the real issues when one does not have a valid rebuttal, IMO.
 
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Peter King said:
Because it doesn't, it is once again proof to how low pro-lifers will stoop in the advancement of what is a pretty immoral standpoint to begin with (robbing a woman of her right to decide).
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Every time you try to use the women's rights argument, you are doing two things:

1) You are appealing to our emotions (the same thing you are accusing us of doing). Except that women don't rate as much as babies do.
2) You are admitting that you prefer that babies die to save the woman some minor inconveniences (for the most part).
 
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I am always amazed when I hear nonsense. Keep up the good work.
 
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prometeus said:
Not only was the OP a stupid and disgusting attempt at emotional appeal, this post is just ignorant drivel so yes you are obviously wrong.
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And you have never used the emotional appeal? Don't deny it. So it's OK when you use it, but wrong when we use it, right?
 
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prometeus said:
Why not educate yourself on the topic before making moronic posts?

Clearly you understand even less or nothing.
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But they DO rip a baby apart, or at least used to, unless an effort was put forth in a vain attempt to clean up the process to deter well deserved criticism.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Thank you for proving me right. There are no INFANTS in uteruses.
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Yes there is. If you insist making wrongful or misleading statements, I wish you would go do that somewhere else.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Exactly. It IS genetically human but is not a human being. Anti choicers are lying when they say we say it's not (genetically) human.
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How can you come on here and contradict yourself and walk away satisfied with yourself? Genetically human and human being is exactly the same thing. You really have to stop listening to lawyers, judges, and the legislature and start listening to your common sense.
 
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You are wrong. A fetus is not dead. It is alive. The appeal to emotion is not something that only we do. You all do it too and all of you even do it more than us. You really should stop being political and start being a concerned person for those that deserve your concern. The babies.
 
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1. no, you are making it into a appeal to emotion. I, as a man, see it much more as an appeal to reason and respect. But I do understand that for women it is maybe much more an issue of emotion. But that emotion is not due to me saying that it is a woman's right but it is anger at people who want to interfere in her womb.

2. I do not prefer babies to die, a ZEF in the first trimester is not a baby but just a ZEF. And I already stated that being pregnant is not a minor inconvenience at all.
 
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RamFel said:
I am always amazed when I hear nonsense. Keep up the good work.
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Why? Have you re-read your previous posts about (for example) the post birth abortion nonsense you treated us on?

And thank you, I do like doing good work and I can think of nothing more satisfying or better than disproving and correcting things that severely lack truthfulness (like for example the bull crap of post birth abortion).
 
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Yes, we do care for the unborn, who are alive, and don't deserve the dehumanizing talk that is coming out of your collective mouths. All of you are wrong. It's an amazing to see, the way all of you twist things around to fit what you say you believe. But I don't believe anything you say just because you have this goal that you have and it takes the deaths of millions for you to accomplish it. And since you can't kill everybody you and PP and all those leftist college professors have now convinced some college students and the call is still going out to pass laws allowing the mis-named "Post Birth Abortion" (don't blame me for the name. I will use it until someone comes up with a better one).

Yes, I do expose you. And I will keep doing it. It's like a job to me. It's important. Because people need to know what's really going on (you know, the hidden agenda). Because there has to be a real good reason for the way that you all have been behaving. I see it every day, and it always confirms what I know about your movement.
 
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No, a zygote is not alive but it's tissue does live. I am alive and that is totally not comparable to the state that a zygote has.

I am not being political I am being factual and I will stand fast for the right of women and fight/confront the interfering activists who want to deny women their constitutional right to privacy and the right to decide to choose whether or not she wants to remain pregant.

And the only person who deserves our concern is in the only person in this whole issue. And that happens to be the woman, because as said many times before, a ZEF is not a baby.
 
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So you criticize someone for making an appeal to emotion about the baby, make an appeal to emotion about the mother, and in between try to dehumanize the child by calling it a ZEF. Why can you not just acknowledge that a human life is being extinguished regardless of what stage of development it is in instead of *****footing around? Society assigns greater value to some lives over others and that is just how it plays out here.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Please prove your assertion that infants are being ripped apart in your country.
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OK, this is from 3 years ago. I don't know if they still do it, so pardon me if I am wrong:

After sufficient dilation the surgical operation can commence. The woman is placed under general anesthesia or conscious sedation. The doctor, often guided by ultrasound, inserts grasping forceps through the woman’s cervix and into the uterus to grab the fetus. The doctor grips a fetal part with the forceps and pulls it back through the cervix and vagina, continuing to pull even after meeting resistance from the cervix. The friction causes the fetus to tear apart. For example, a leg might be ripped off the fetus as it is pulled through the cervix and out of the woman. The process of evacuating the fetus piece by piece continues until it has been completely removed. A doctor may make 10 to 15 passes with the forceps to evacuate the fetus in its entirety, though sometimes removal is completed with fewer passes. Once the fetus has been evacuated, the placenta and any remaining fetal material are suctioned or scraped out of the uterus. The doctor examines the different parts to ensure the entire fetal body has been removed.

Babies Legally Ripped Apart Limb From Limb | Russell and Duenes
 
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Yes. At least I think so. But that is very different than what's going on right now, especially when there are some leftists who want to have us pass laws that allow you to put a little child already born, to death, if the mother feels that the child is not self aware.

So your question is useless because it doesn't prove anything.
 
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In an earlier post, you used that "factual information" to make a moral judgement, and now you're pretending that never happened because I've forced you to admit that you support the dismemberment of fetus' too.

Thankfully the situation of the mother's life in danger and forcing the choice of losing both, or saving the mother, is one that's by far not the most prevalent, and I'll wager is rather the rarity and exception than the norm.
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Yes, it is rare, yet that didn't stop you from trying to smear pro-choicers because, as you falsely claimed, they "celebrate" the dismemberment of a fetus.
 
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