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Go back and read my post. I said no one is taking away gun rights.
You were the one that brought voter ID into the topic. That there **IS** off topic.
edit: here, i'll make it easy for you:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...8-mass-killings-decline-2.html#post1061260319
So he got his facts wrong? Can you elaborate...
And Bush did what differently? (repeal Clinton's semi-automatic ban?)
Paul
Bush didn't do anything differently.
I just find it strangely, even conspiracy theory-ish that the gun control party gains power in 2006 (legislature) and an increase in mass shootings starts then. Most of the mass shootings under Bush happened after 2006.
He didn't do anything differently that I am aware of, its just a weird coincidence.
Right. And nobody is taking away voting right either so, one more time, do you want regulation applied evenly or not?
I don't think 'coincidence' constitutes as a form of evidence. Can you not elaborate on the figures you gave in your earlier post?
Paul
Oh... silly me... I get it... you doubt my numbers...
A Timeline Of Mass Shootings In The US Since Columbine | ThinkProgress
Somethings need regulation and somethings do not. Guns do, voting, does not.
You can not make us citizens pay to vote. That is essentially what you are doing.
I wasn't doubting anything until I viewed what you felt constituents 'Mass killings'. And for me, however shocking : "On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown. " This does not constitute 'Mass killings'. That said, I'm not sure what position you wish to advance with this evidence?
Paul
By the way, every single state out there that provides a state level ID for a required purpose (such as voting) does so at no charge to the individual.
yes, and they have to PAY for it too!
You cant charge people to vote.
It's a bit dated (2008) but it shows that you have to pay for state IDs: What Does A State ID Cost? » Pirate's Cove
and voter fraud is few and far between. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
In 2012 only 4 states required a photo ID for voting. Those states were Georgia, Indiana, Tennessee and Kansas. All 4 of those states will provide a free voter ID for anyone who doesn't already have ID which meets state criteria. Other states which are enacting voter ID laws also have similar programs available for those who don't have any other form of ID.
The list you presented is pure propaganda. It does list the cost for certain state ID's but conveniently ignores the rest of the facts.
If those states are truly providing free ID's then i dont see a problem.
and "pure propaganda", that's in YOUR eyes. Generally, you cant get free ID cards unless to meet a certain age reqirement.
I see the Fox News, NRA and GOP spin/lie machine is hard at work.
For the record... there should not be mass shootings at all.
Im more interested in why BECK didnt link to the article. Isnt this supposed to be standard practice?
thanks for the link
I see the Fox News, NRA and GOP spin/lie machine is hard at work.
For the record... there should not be mass shootings at all.
?I see the Fox News, NRA and GOP spin/lie machine is hard at work.
For the record... there should not be mass shootings at all.
There shouldn't be, but there always will. Or bombings, or stabbings, or some other kind of random senseless violence. You'll never get rid of all of it.
Seriously!! Excellent point.
I don't know why anyone would post this thread.
It's like saying the lake water we can't drink or fish in is actually cleaner than it was 10 years ago. Yippee!!
Associated Press Story: Believe It or Not Mass Killings Are Not on the Rise, They Are on the Decline | TheBlaze.com
While the perception in the wake of this year’s mass shootings has been that such acts are on the rise, the Associated Press found that it’s actually the exact opposite when you look at the data on a macro level.
“There is no pattern, there is no increase,” says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston’s Northeastern University.
He adds that the random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest.
While mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, says.
Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning.
LOL, the "BLAZE"
ohhh, and by the way, how come "the BLAZE" didnt link to the AP story??? hummm
not a single f------ link!
There have been 62 incidents of mass killings in the US since 1982.Not according to Mr. Fox.
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