Mass Killing, Mass De-housing, Destruction of Critical Civilian Infrastructure, Genocidal Intent, Genocide and the Consequences of Genocide.

[Evilroddy]

The article linked to below is a bit out of date but clearly shows how the concepts in this thread title come together to make a very strong case that the State of Israel is committing Genocide against the Palestinian people and out line the longer term consequences for the State of Israel. It deals with the intent issue well.

Israel’s Admission of Genocide

This article examines Israel’s ongoing military campaign in Gaza, highlighting statements by Israeli officials indicating genocidal intent, and the international community’s failure to ensure accountability. It explores the legal, political, and reputational consequences of Israel’s actions and...

mecouncil.org

It is well worth a read even if you don't agree with the thesis it argues for.

It concludes that the State of Israel is indeed committing genocide against the Palestinian people and that the consequences of the Gaza War will have long-term and very negative effects on the State of Israel and the Israeli people.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Allan]

It concludes that the State of Israel is indeed committing genocide against the Palestinian people and that the consequences of the Gaza War will have long-term and very negative effects on the State of Israel and the Israeli people.

I was hesitant to use the word "genocide" or the phrase "ethnic cleansing" for quite some time.

I rely on the legal definition of those crimes and initially I didn't see evidence to support the accusation.

Now there is no doubt in my mind that what Israel is doing at the behest of America is indeed ethnic cleansing.

The official UN definition of ethnic cleansing...

"rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group."

The stated intention of Israel and America to remove Palestinians from their territory easily meets the above definition.

If this wasn't bad enough the intention to carry out this crime so that America can take the land for resorts is unconscionable.

In my opinion we're watching in real time one of the worst crimes against humanity of our lifetimes.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

what Israel is doing at the behest of America

Other way around.
Israel (especially under Netanyahu) will do what it wants to do and there are factions in the US that either believe the Jews are keeping Jesus's landing strip safe from "eebil muzlims" or they fall for the lie that Netanyahu pushes and has pushed over his career.

the consequences of the Gaza War will have long-term and very negative effects on the State of Israel and the Israeli people.

Sadly, people forget the West Bank.
Said it elsewhere but for years I've read the argument "if only arabs would accept the existence of Israel and live peaceably alongside" but that is exactly what has been happening in the West Bank and the reward is the much slower, piecemeal ethnic cleansing of the area by settlers and Israeli policy to recognise those illegal settlements created when arabs have their homes burned down or destroyed and Jewish settlers move in instead.

This is all about the creation of Greater Israel. Israel can't march into the West Bank and annexe it because it would be obliged (even Trump and his fascists would ask it) to give the vote to the arabs who suddenly became Israeli citizens. If it didn't give the vote - the lie would be exposed and the huge sums of money and military equipment given would dry up.

So instead what is happening is slow but deliberate, arabs get kicked out (cleansed from the area) and Jews move in. Eventually the numbers in the West Bank will favour Israel and some future Trump-type President will give Israel all the support needed when it declares the West Bank is now part of Israel - from the river to the sea.

 

[Evilroddy]

I was hesitant to use the word "genocide" or the phrase "ethnic cleansing" for quite some time.

I rely on the legal definition of those crimes and initially I didn't see evidence to support the accusation.

Now there is no doubt in my mind that what Israel is doing at the behest of America is indeed ethnic cleansing.

The official UN definition of ethnic cleansing...

The stated intention of Israel and America to remove Palestinians from their territory easily meets the above definition.

If this wasn't bad enough the intention to carry out this crime so that America can take the land for resorts is unconscionable.

In my opinion we're watching in real time one of the worst crimes against humanity of our lifetimes.

Allan:

Good comments but I think that "the behest of America" is too strong. This gravitation towards genocide has and is a two-way street with Israel and America walking down it for almost two years together. The balance shifted, but not that much, when the Trump Administration took over. Before the US support was tacit and sub rosa, but now it's in your face and right out there. Both the US and the State of Israel were formed by settler colonialism and therefore share the biases which go along with that tradition. Those biases tend to normalise the idea of ethnic cleansing and slightly raise then societal barriers to calling something genocide. However we must remember that the people of Israel share a history of having genocide done to them and I believe have been so traumatised since Oct. 7th and numbed to the damage and harm they are doing. That's not an excuse but is an explanation of why this is happening. It in no way excuses what the Netanyahu Government is doing and planning to do but it may explain why that government has been able to get away with what it has done and is doing over the past 22 months.

Everything you wrote is spot on.

Thank you again and understand that I am loathe to "like" anything connected to this topic, it's just too horrific. So you have my thanks.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

Other way around.
Israel (especially under Netanyahu) will do what it wants to do and there are factions in the US that either believe the Jews are keeping Jesus's landing strip safe from "eebil muzlims" or they fall for the lie that Netanyahu pushes and has pushed over his career.

Infinite Chaos:

A bit of both, in my opinion. It's a partnership rather than a thralldom and both partners are jointly and severally liable and culpable for the harms they have and are causing.

Sadly, people forget the West Bank.
Said it elsewhere but for years I've read the argument "if only arabs would accept the existence of Israel and live peaceably alongside" but that is exactly what has been happening in the West Bank and the reward is the much slower, piecemeal ethnic cleansing of the area by settlers and Israeli policy to recognise those illegal settlements created when arabs have their homes burned down or destroyed and Jewish settlers move in instead.

Agree entirely.

This is all about the creation of Greater Israel. Israel can't march into the West Bank and annexe it because it would be obliged (even Trump and his fascists would ask it) to give the vote to the arabs who suddenly became Israeli citizens. If it didn't give the vote - the lie would be exposed and the huge sums of money and military equipment given would dry up.

Yup, from the Euphrates to the Nile and from the Med to include the Trans-Jordan region. Eretz-Israel is coming to a neighbourhood near you.

So instead what is happening is slow but deliberate, arabs get kicked out (cleansed from the area) and Jews move in. Eventually the numbers in the West Bank will favour Israel and some future Trump-type President will give Israel all the support needed when it declares the West Bank is now part of Israel - from the river to the sea.

Slow motion ethnic cleansing has transmogrified into break-neck fast genocide.

Next year in Babylon, is coming.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

At what point in the Turkish mass killing of Cilician Armenians did it become Genocide?. At what point in the Belgian King's policy of killing of Africans did it become genocide? At what point in the mass killing of Ukrainians did the Stalinist USSR cross over into genocide? At what point during the Third Reich's dozen year existence did the mass killings of European Jews, Gypsies and Slavs did these mass killings become genocide? Now at what point in the process of the State of Israel's mass killings of Palestinians has it become genocide? How many people must die before a "part" of a targeted population becomes large enough to trigger a threshold for genocide if intent can be proven?

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.