I am on the Left and do NOT believe in the theory of Marxism. SO your strawman falls on it's face. As for what I posted, Marxism, like any OTHER form of government, is never practiced as intended.If a theory fails every time it's applied, the theory is the problem. Good luck getting anyone on the left to admit that about Marxism.
TO put it more plainly, Righties use the term Marxist to attack anyone on the Left. Of course we Leftists laugh at that realized how totally bonkers those claims are.Marxism is used nowadays to describe a certain mind set. YET, the vast majority of those who use the word Marxism never read a history book or studied political movements. Marxism had become a catchphrase to insult people.
Now we get to the point I was making. You can take any form of government and it is never practiced as intended. I prefer Democracy over Marxism because I don't care about the ideals of Marxism, but Democracy is as poorly observed as any other form of government. Hence the highlighted part.Take Democracy for example. An ideal. Yet the very people who claim to be defending democracy want to take it away from "others" and preserve it only for themselves.
Part of your list is nonsense.
Sensible taxation? LOL Karl Marx was the idiot (and Friedrich Engles) who advocated income taxation.
A heavy progressive income tax is the Second Plank of the Communist Manifesto. And democrats' one-size-fit-all solution to ANY problem is to raise taxes and throw money at it.
Take for example the dipshit NeoMarxist governor of California.
Currently, California has the highest aggregate taxes in the nation, and MILLIONS OF CALIFORNIANS HAVE ALREADY FLED TO OTHER STATES TO ESCAPE INSANELY HIGH TAXES. Predictably, Dipshit Gavin Newsom says that Californians should be paying MORE in taxes.
Anti-war?? NeoMarxists are notorious for war-mongering. They are the ones clamoring for U.S. funding an endless war between Russia and Ukraine.
Many NeoMarxist were horrified when Trump tried to negotiate a peace agreement.
What a dumb question. Our country was FOUNDED on the principles of freedom and liberty.
Not ONE person had affordable health care, but these brave people fought to the death for independence and freedom.
Irrelevant. My opinions on taxes and social security have nothing to do with the thread topic, which is (Classic)Marxism vs NeoMarxism.
You loathe the Bourgeoisie. Got it.
To a Marxist, (and Neo-Marxist), the only way to "improve" government is to make it stronger and more powerful, so it can redistribute wealth and property more efficiently.
Thankfully, informed Americans realize how patently absurd that notion is, because the more powerful the government becomes, the less freedom and liberty there is for the citizenry.
"I am convinced that there are more threats to American liberty within the 10 mile radius of my office on Capitol Hill than there are on the rest of the globe." -- Ron Paul
To a libertarian, the only way to "improve" the government is to make it smaller, and less powerful. Liberty and freedom of the citizens are inversely proportional to the power of their government.
I am on the Left and do NOT believe in the theory of Marxism. SO your strawman falls on it's face.
Give it a rest. Now you are just sounding silly. Every western nation except the US has some form of universal health care, so by your argument, they are ALL MARXIST. If you enjoy sounding silly, I have no reason to go back n forth with someone making such inane comments.Should people get healthcare based on their needs?
Should people be taxed on their income according to their ability to pay?
Should people get healthcare based on their needs?
Should people be taxed on their income according to their ability to pay?
THEY are quite happy with police protection and fire departments coming to their rescue. THEY are perfectly fine with having their roads fixed. BUT OMG, offer people universal healthcare, THAT is Marxism.They are unable to reason like a normal person. That's why they should be ridiculed.
Give it a rest. Now you are just sounding silly.
Note that anything that isn't 100% "free market libertarianism" (an oxymoronic, if not paradoxical notion) is full-blown max left Communism to these people.
At least I'm not embarrassed about what I believe in.
Both of you are embarrassed about your left wing views, which is why won't answer some simple questions.
THEY are quite happy with police protection and fire departments coming to their rescue. THEY are perfectly fine with having their roads fixed. BUT OMG, offer people universal healthcare, THAT is Marxism.
You can't argue with empty-headed people who have no idea what they are talking about but like throwing phrases or terms around because someone told them those phrases and terms sound scary.
THAT sounds about right.They are basically wannabe freeloaders.
I've articulated the fundamental tenets of classic Marxism and the fundamental tenets of NeoMarxism, and explained while both are subversive ideologies, one is worse than the other because as a free and enlightened society progresses, it should shun subversive ideologies which have repeatedly shown throughout history that they just don't work.I don't think you understand much of anything. All you can do is make lists of concepts you don't understand and quote people (appeal to authority). You don't articulate or defend ANY of your arguments. Can you?
Im the only one in this thread who provided a comprehensive list of distinctions with classic marxism and neoMarxism. You made an attempt, but yours didn't work because of logical fallacies.You're unable to articulate what you're saying. You can't just scream, 'Marxism!' without articulating an actual argument. I don't think you understand anything.
Newsom is a NeoMarxist. He embraces the idiotic notions that government cannot be powerful enough, and that the citizens cannot ever be over-taxed. Gavin Newson is highly educated, yet he's still dumber than a sack of hammers.Newsom is a Marxist LOL. You're making yourself look clownish.
Typical Straw-Man nonsense.Everyone is a neo-Marxist = No One is a Neo-Marxist.
You really should do a little research. I'm not spoon-feeding anyone.So as medical knowledge increases, only the rich should have access to those benefits (from public research)?
True. And they ARE.You are representing your beliefs as superior to mine.
You're challenging me, but there's no need for me to defend liberty and freedom. All decent and good people cherish liberty and freedom. BAD people cherish a powerful and oppressive government, high taxes, redistribution of wealth, abolition of private property, and many other really stupid ideas.I'm challenging you. Can you defend anything you represent?
Another really dumb Straw-Man logical fallacy.So you love being ruled by wealthy elites. Got it.
Right - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" - Karl MarxI think government should proportionate to the needs of the people.
False. Americans' liberty and freedom erodes with each new Law they pass. Our lawmakers don't give a shit about liberty or freedom. The Laws they pass makes the government stronger and more powerful.The size isn't important.
That's a Marxist construct, and it is patently FALSE.Since government ALWAYS exists in a society, it's merely a question of who controls it (the elites or the people). There are no other options.
This nonsensical scenario is based entirely on a false premise.Do you want democracy (tyranny of the majority) or some form of oligarchy / dictatorship (tyranny of the few or one). Pick your poison. Surely you've thought out your own beliefs to this extent. Have you?
I do. I know exactly what a government IS, and what a good government should be DOING.(scope).Blah blah blah, herpaderp. You don't understand what government actually is.
Argentina is NOT a libertarian society. You need to do some research. "The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald ReaganCan a libertarian society work? How? Give me an example. Argentina? LOL.
I've articulated the fundamental tenets of classic Marxism and the fundamental tenets of NeoMarxism, and explained while both are subversive ideologies, one is worse than the other because as a free and enlightened society progresses, it should shun subversive ideologies which have repeatedly shown throughout history that they just don't work.
Newsom is a NeoMarxist.
Argentina is NOT a libertarian society. You need to do some research. "The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
Newsom is a NeoMarxist, as he embraces most of the idiotic tenets of NeoMarxism.And you've called Newsom a neo-Marxist, thus undermining your entire thread.
You probably meant to ask: Who are some prominent people who aren't NeoMarxist? The answer would be Bernie Sanders. Sanders rejects most of NeoMarxism, including alienation, psychoanalysis, and highly flawed ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (which focuses on struggles of marginalized groups beyond the proletariat).Who isn't a neo-Marxist then?
One libertarian candidate does not make an entire society libertarian. What a lame argument.Javier Milei, an Argentine libertarian, is rising in the polls
Annual inflation of 104% is boosting support for himwww.economist.com
Newsom is a NeoMarxist, as he embraces most of the idiotic tenets of NeoMarxism.
You probably meant to ask: Who are some prominent people who aren't NeoMarxist? The answer would be Bernie Sanders.
One libertarian candidate does not make an entire society libertarian. What a lame argument.
That's a nonsensical argument. Joe Manchin is not any kind of Marxist - classical OR neo.LOL the more you dig in, the more absurd you become. If Newsom is a neo-Marxist, you could credibly make the case that Joe Manchin is.
Thanks - you unwittingly just made my MY POINT - - one is a neoMarxist and the other is not.Newsom ain't Bernie Sanders.
Exactly my point. Newsom is a neo Marxist, and Bernie is not.They don't share anywhere near the same ideology. Not by a country mile.
The above is ignorant nonsense. Argentina is no more libertarian than America is socialist.Is Argentina Libertarian
Argentina has seen a significant rise in libertarian influence, particularly since Javier Milei became president in 2023. Milei, who describes himself as a philosophical anarcho-capitalist but operates as a minarchist in practice, has implemented policies aligned with libertarian ideals such as promoting free markets and advocating for a minimal state presence. His party, the Libertarian Party (Partido Libertario, abbreviated as PL), supports economic liberalism and minarchism, reflecting a blend of social conservatism and right-libertarianism.
However, the implementation of these policies has been criticized for potentially undermining democratic institutions and human rights. For instance, Milei's government has taken steps that critics argue weaken social and labor protections and deregulate environmental policies, aiming for a radical shift in Argentina's social model. These actions have been likened to a "shock doctrine," suggesting that while libertarian principles are espoused, the methods employed may veer towards authoritarianism.
That's a nonsensical argument. Joe Manchin is not any kind of Marxist - classical OR neo.
Thanks - you unwittingly just made my MY POINT - - one is a neoMarxist and the other is not.
It's possible that Argentina might have some libertarian policies, but they are not even close to being a libertarian society. The U.S. certainly has some socialist policies, but the U.S. is not (and never will be) a socialist society.
The fact is there are no libertarian societies on the planet. Not one.
Any country that has Income Tax cannot possibly be a libertarian country, in the same way a sphere cannot have corners.
Anyways, thanks for supporting my argument about neoMarxist Newsom and (classical) Marxist Bernie.
Aspect | Details |
Political Background | Born in 1967, served as mayor of San Francisco (2003-2011) and lieutenant governor of California (2011-2019). Current governor of California since 2019.2 |
Recent Actions | Launched podcast featuring conservative figures, criticized the Democratic Party as "toxic".712 |
Criticism | Left-wing criticism for legitimizing far-right figures, right-wing criticism for being disingenuous.312 |
Neo-Marxism | Collection of Marxist schools of thought incorporating critical theory, cultural studies, and feminism.8 |
Newsom's Policies | Progressive social policies, criticized for economic policies and failure to deliver on single-payer healthcare.23 |
Conclusion | Not a neo-Marxist; more centrist or moderate approach.712 |
Yes it WAS your mistake. I was clear that Bernie Sanders is not neoMarxist, but you have poor comprehension. (comprehension means the ability to understand the meaning of a message). You didn't even try to understand what was said - you jumped to a false conclusion, which is predictable, and THEN you blame me for your ignorance. (also predictable).Wait, you said Bernie is NOT a neo-Marxist? My mistake. I thought you were saying he WAS one. Your overall point is utterly incoherent, so I got lost in your incoherence.
Transitioning to a diverse social global culture - abandoning "American" traditions/culture. Powerful and wasteful government. Globalist (neoMarxist) policy with regards to costly and needless Military intervention into foreign wars.How would you describe America?
No, not saying that at all.So you're saying Libertarianism is useless and cannot function as a governing model? Because I could certainly agree with you if so.
Of course there is. Critical Race Theory is an idiotic neo Marxist ideology. Gavin Newsom is a huge fan of CRT. The founders of CRT publicly (and proudly) declared that CRT is based on Critical Theory (neoMarxism).There is no direct evidence to suggest that Gavin Newsom is a neo-Marxist.
LOL of course they do. Newsom is a globalist, he doesn't respect other people's property, he believes in CRT, Big Government, oppression of the people, high taxes (the highest in the country), high regulations. . . nearly all of the idiotic nonsense that any neoMaxist believes.Gavin Newsom's political actions and policies do not align with the core tenets of neo-Marxism.
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