What a stupid question.
Your posts are complete nonsense.
You keep asking the same stupid questions over and over. If you were capable of formulating a sensible argument, then you would. But thankfully you're not.
All you can do is post nonsense, based on lies, mistruths, misinformation, poor comprehension, false pretenses, deceit and logical fallacies.
I don't lack courage. You lack knowledge, insight, common sense, a fundamental understanding of why logical fallacies weaken an argument, . . you lack a lot of things.I’m sorry basic logic destroys your arguments and makes your lies obvious. Maybe don’t use those arguments or lie.
I keep asking the same questions because you lack the courage to answer them.
Not chasing you down your nonsense rabbit hole.Just admit you lied. It’s the honest thing to do.
If you were honest, you would realize that you lost this debate, and move on. But you're no at that level, so naturally you will continue posting the same nonsensical crap that you've been posting.But then if you were honest, you wouldn’t be a Libertarian.
I don't lack courage. You lack knowledge, insight, common sense, a fundamental understanding of why logical fallacies weaken an argument, . . you lack a lot of things.
Your posts have zero merit because they don't contain any useful information. Your posts are the same nonsense - over and over, just with different words.
Not chasing you down your nonsense rabbit hole.
If you were honest, you would realize that you lost this debate, and move on. But you're no at that level, so naturally you will continue posting the same nonsensical crap that you've been posting.
It's good that you're incapable of formulating a sensible argument.
You say its your property. I say its mine. Who decides who owns it?
Both Pelosi and Schumer use the class envy Marxist phrase "tax cuts for the rich"
Your posts are nonsensical.You claimed you never said that Neo-Marxists don’t study Marx when that’s exactly what you said in the OP.
You lied. And after being called out of your lie, you’ve now been copy and pasting new definitions of the term.
I like these dumb arguments.It must really suck that capitalism only has defenders like you and Aociswundumbho, who thinks a raped child should have to pay private police to arrest her rapist.
Your posts are nonsensical.
I like these dumb arguments.
You're incapable of discussing the topic (Marxism and NeoMarxism) so instead you float the capitalism Red Herring. You rely a lot on logical fallacies.
You don't even realize why your repeated logical fallacies weaken YOUR argument and strengthen mine. You keep repeating the same logical fallacies, not knowing that your nonsense lost you the debate. . . a long time ago, actually.
Your posts have zero merit because they don't contain any useful information.
Your posts are nonsensical.
I like these dumb arguments.
You're incapable of discussing the topic (Marxism and NeoMarxism) so instead you float the capitalism Red Herring. You rely a lot on logical fallacies.
That has nothing to do with the topic.Are you in favor of wealthy elites controlling society?
Good point. Government using prison labor is pure, free market capitalism. Hence Stalin was the most prolific capitalist who ever lived. You should teach this stuff.
That has nothing to do with the topic.
We're discussing the difference between Classic Marxism and NeoMarxism.
Classic Marxism tenets
Historical Materialism
Class Struggle (proletariat/bourgeoisie)
Capitalism as Exploitative
Revolution and Socialism as transitional steps to Communism
NeoMarxism tenets
Focus on Culture and Ideology “cultural hegemony,”
Critique of Reductionism
Incorporation of Psychoanalysis
Global Perspective
NeoMarxism is worse, in my opinion.
Nobody really knew how subversive Communism was when communist societies emerged in the early 20th century. The communist rulers were tyrannical, and the proletariat were miserable. (except for the rulers, of course - they were quite comfortable)
Today's NeoMarxists know how oppressive communism is, yet they refuse to acknowledge or learn from the mistakes of the past. This is why I think neoMarxism is worse. Modern society should know better.
Nonsense. I know exactly what the key aspect of Marxism was and is.Actually, it does. That you don't understand this key aspect of Marxism shows that you're not prepared for your own topic.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. I posted an informative list of tenets for each ideology . You posted NOTHING about the nuances of them. You just ask irrelevant questions about my opinion. My opinion about "wealthy elites controlling society" doesn't matter any more than yours does.Do you even know what you're talking about, or do you just list words and terms without understanding them?
Straw-man noted, and appreciated. I never said that Marxism is making my "life miserable today" - you fabricated that logical fallacy. You don't realize that your logical fallacies effectively weaken your position, and strengthen mine.But wait -- Marxism is not making your life miserable today.
Another really stupid Straw-Man logical fallacy. I am not "supporting Trump" as you falsely claim. That's lie that YOU fabricated with the intent to weakening my position. It actually weakened YOUR position, because you've demonstrated that you cannot formulate an intelligent argument. All you do is use Straw-men to make your point.It's not in effect. This is the age of CONSERVATIVE economics. Neoliberalism. You're supporting Trump, a capitalist. Is your life getting better or worse?
I do not agree that the only two options for having an opinion are a 6 figure degree, or an obsession with tabloid political TV,Someone must have a college degree in political science to give us his assessment of the difference. OR he heard something about Marxism from Rightwing radio or Fox.
The "expert" has spoken.I do not agree that the only two options for having an opinion are a 6 figure degree, or an obsession with tabloid political TV,
I think it is possible to have nuanced, intelligent, well founded opinions on this without either of those two.
And the difference is fairly simple. Marxism is all about class struggle. Neomarxism has evolved to include many more shades of oppressor/oppressed type doctrine. Otherwise they draw from the same poisonous root.
Your whole shtick is taking people's positions and inflating them to some ridiculous degree and then making fun of them.The "expert" has spoken.
Or a person is just another poster who disagrees because he heard the above expressed on Canada’s left wing news.Someone must have a college degree in political science to give us his assessment of the difference. OR he heard something about Marxism from Rightwing radio or Fox.
To be more informed, this is not the place, nor scouring the internet for "opinions."Your whole shtick is taking people's positions and inflating them to some ridiculous degree and then making fun of them.
When did I ever say I was an expert? I just said I don't think that it has to be black and white like you seem to be portraying.
I do actually try to think about the things that we talk about here, rather than just come up with vapid one-liners that make fun of the other side. ( And sometimes that's fun too, I guess.)
I also want to learn from people who I disagree with that may be more informed than I am, but the above isn't any of that.
Thankfully, America doesn't need to worry about Marxism (or NeoMarxism) poisoning our values of liberty and freedom. Our Founding Fathers were adamantly against Marxism - - even though it had not yet been invented:Or a person is just another poster who disagrees because he heard the above expressed on Canada’s left wing news.
HyperboleThe Democrats are so far left that even Mao would say WTF.
Nonsense. I know exactly what the key aspect of Marxism was and is.
You asked me an irrelevant question about my opinion regarding "wealthy elites controlling society". My opinion about wealthy elites has nothing to do with comparing Classic Marxism and NeoMarxism.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. I posted an informative list of tenets for each ideology . You posted NOTHING about the nuances of them. You just ask irrelevant questions about my opinion. My opinion about "wealthy elites controlling society" doesn't matter any more than yours does.
Straw-man noted, and appreciated. I never said that Marxism is making my "life miserable today" - you fabricated that logical fallacy. You don't realize that your logical fallacies effectively weaken your position, and strengthen mine.
Another really stupid Straw-Man logical fallacy. I am not "supporting Trump" as you falsely claim. That's lie that YOU fabricated with the intent to weakening my position. It actually weakened YOUR position, because you've demonstrated that you cannot formulate an intelligent argument. All you do is use Straw-men to make your point.
Your argument is based on nonsense and fallacies.
Thankfully, America doesn't need to worry about Marxism (or NeoMarxism) poisoning our values of liberty and freedom. Our Founding Fathers were adamantly against Marxism - - even though it had not yet been invented:
"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." - Thomas Jefferson
"A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned." - Thomas Jefferson
Socialism is a stepping-off point to communism. Any Marxist (or NeoMarxist) who denies this is a liar (or profoundly ignorant), and we need to expose them.
Part of your list is nonsense.Hey @SkyChief, there is probably no one on these forums to the left of me. Thus, I represent the outer most extremes of the dichotomy YOU laid out. Why don't you address my neo-Marxist ideology? And if you can't apply neo-Marxism to me (the socialist fringe), what is the point of the term?
Here's the list:
- Universal Healthcare
- Sensible Public Health Policy
- Sensible Taxation Policy
- Climate Change Mitigation
- Labor Unions / Workers Rights
- Civil Rights
- Human Rights
- Anti-War
If you can't address this, I will just assume that you're caught flat-footed and rendered impotent.
What a dumb question. Our country was FOUNDED on the principles of freedom and liberty. Not ONE person had affordable health care, but these brave people fought to the death for independence and freedom.Are you free if you can't afford healthcare?
Irrelevant. My opinions on taxes and social security have nothing to do with the thread topic, which is (Classic)Marxism vs NeoMarxism.Do you support any taxation? Social Security?
What a load of BULLSHIT.Capitalism without socialist mitigation inevitably leads to fascism.
You loathe the Bourgeoisie. Got it.As wealth accrues in the hands of fewer individuals, the average person's quality of life becomes worse. With political power having been captured by wealthy interests, government no longer answers to the will of the people. Therefore society is ruled by wealthy elites (getting back to my previous comment, which you dismissed without understanding it). This is where we're currently at.
To a Marxist, (and Neo-Marxist), the only way to "improve" government is to make it stronger and more powerful, so it can redistribute wealth and property more efficiently. Thankfully, informed Americans realize how patently absurd that notion is, because the more powerful the government becomes, the less freedom and liberty there is for the citizenry.Tell me how to improve current government without socialist policies.
Yet any student of history would know that the ideal of Marxism and the practice of Marxism are totally different.
Well, you put some work into that one. I appreciate it. I mean, it was kind of capslock sized and rambly, but I can't blame anybody for that.I honestly don't know if you are as naive as you appear in your comments or if you really believe in the things you post, but either way, falling for the slant the OP was implying in his supposed "poll" to me suggests ignorance. Take that any way you want to take it.
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