Was Macias involved in certifying Dominion? Some CYA perhaps? As for his rebuttal, the only thing compelling would be if ASOG's claim of 68% adjudication is unsubstantiated. Macias' claim that there would be no adjudication log because they did not purchase the adjudication software - what does that really mean?
If they scan a ballot and it is rejected and sent to adjudication, why does that not show in a log? Adjudication is a separate process, no? Whether they do it by hand or manually has no bearing on the 68% kicked over to adjudication. Apparently, in prior elections in Antrim County these logs did exist because ASOG was able to see those prior logs but they were deleted in the 2020 election.
I haven't seen a response by ASOG as to Macias' assertion. Digging...
A real audit will provide data to support whatever conclusions they make. The existing 'audit' in Maricopa was half assed at best. They never looked at any actual ballots nor did any analysis of any of the system logs on the Dominion machines.
ASOG is highly biased and has failed to show reliable credentials that they should even be involved in doing any sort of evaluations. Allowing ASOG to do the investigation/review/audit would be like allowing BLM or NAACP do an "independent investigation" into police and government actions against people of any/every demographic.Was Macias involved in certifying Dominion? Some CYA perhaps? As for his rebuttal, the only thing compelling would be if ASOG's claim of 68% adjudication is unsubstantiated. Macias' claim that there would be no adjudication log because they did not purchase the adjudication software - what does that really mean?
If they scan a ballot and it is rejected and sent to adjudication, why does that not show in a log? Adjudication is a separate process, no? Whether they do it by hand or manually has no bearing on the 68% kicked over to adjudication. Apparently, in prior elections in Antrim County these logs did exist because ASOG was able to see those prior logs but they were deleted in the 2020 election.
I haven't seen a response by ASOG as to Macias' assertion. Digging...
When the ballot is rejected upon first scan and THEN gets kicked to adjudication, is there no log of that event? Why did ASOG find logs from prior elections but the 2020 log had been deleted?Antrim county did not adjudication software included in it's voting software suite. So therefore there wouldn't be any adjudication rate log generated. Period. That's fact and reality. Not a strawman. The only way Antrim county can adjudicate any ballot would be manually by hand. Antrim performed a manual hand recount of all the ballots on December 17. So in actuality that would constitute a 100% adjudication rate if you are to call the hand recount of the ballots an 'adjudication'. But in any event the recount hardly changed the machine count. When it was all said and done 7 or 8 hours later Trump had a net gain of just 12 votes. A clear indication that Dominion machine count was highly accurate. You're either engaging in denial or fantasy if you don't accept those facts.
That is pure opinion. Do you have the resumes of all of the people on the ASOG team? Can you even name who they are?I have no problem with the AZ SENATE paying for another audit with a CREDIBLE firm.. ASOG is a bunch of losers who couldn't audit the IT department of a community school and reach a credible conclusion...
That is pure opinion. Do you have the resumes of all of the people on the ASOG team? Can you even name who they are?
FWIW, I have suggested mixing in people from other groups as 'observers' or as part of the team. The Finnish guy from the Kill Chain documentary (produced by someone who does not support Trump) would be a good start.
Fine, let's get this matter out in the open and not just smear people with questions and attempt to bully them into silence. The energy put forth to prevent any transparent analysis or civil discussion of this topic is quite the red flag. Millions of people saw Trump's lead on 11/3 disappear in the wee hours of the night after six swing states all decided to halt vote counting. Then they resume, at least some of them (like Fulton County) without any observers and SHAZAM - Biden is leading. That will never sit well with millions without a full airing of who made those calls and why?Like the idiots at ASOG, you are making lots of assumptions about the machines and adjudication logs. For instance, do we know these machines have always been used in Antrim County? Did Antrim County use the adjudication software in the past and then discontinued using it in the last election? The 68% adjudication rate is very easy to explain... The ballot layout file was WRONG and therefore could not read the ballots. Ironically, that's EXACTLY the explanation the county gave when it was discovered. When you have NO IDEA how stuff actually works, it's easy to make all kinds of assumptions about nefarious activity just like ASOG did... When they are deposed their credibility will be FURTHER destroyed...
But they have the trust of the people that are questioning the election so why not inject observers from elsewhere into their audit team? At the end of the day, it should be about data and facts that are published so that others can evaluate.ASOG is highly biased and has failed to show reliable credentials that they should even be involved in doing any sort of evaluations. Allowing ASOG to do the investigation/review/audit would be like allowing BLM or NAACP do an "independent investigation" into police and government actions against people of any/every demographic.
Fine, let's get this matter out in the open and not just smear people with questions and attempt to bully them into silence. The energy put forth to prevent any transparent analysis or civil discussion of this topic is quite the red flag. Millions of people saw Trump's lead on 11/3 disappear in the wee hours of the night after six swing states all decided to halt vote counting. Then they resume, at least some of them (like Fulton County) without any observers and SHAZAM - Biden is leading. That will never sit well with millions without a full airing of who made those calls and why?
Do you think the Michigan AG should criminally prosecute any attorney that brings a lawsuit suggesting election fraud?
And NAACP and BLM have the trust of those who would be questioning police actions.But they have the trust of the people that are questioning the election so why not inject observers from elsewhere into their audit team? At the end of the day, it should be about data and facts that are published so that others can evaluate.
But they have the trust of the people that are questioning the election so why not inject observers from elsewhere into their audit team? At the end of the day, it should be about data and facts that are published so that others can evaluate.
Fair point except this country was subjected to a narrative that Trump colluded with Russia. Not only the media but the DOJ/FBI were complicit in pushing that narrative even though they knew they had nothing to base it on. So the widespread 'conspiracy' is not far fetched because the same players have done this in the recent past.And NAACP and BLM have the trust of those who would be questioning police actions.
If you want a fair and unbiased evaluation, you do not get to bring in a biased-for-you group to perform an audit/check of the system you question. That is not fair at all. And they could easily fudge the data they do get in order to fit their own agenda, their already held conclusions. These guys should not be involved in any sort of evaluation, particularly not any official evaluations of our voting systems at all.
Why is it so hard to get an independent source? Perhaps not having trust in the official explanations is the problem of those questioning it to begin with, not the official source, audit itself. When conspiracy theorists are set on a conclusion, no evidence satisfies the except something that could possibly show something for them, regardless if it is from twisting information.
What have you presented to dismiss the team members of ASOG as not competent? Now you bring Alex Jones into the convo? It seems more a smear job. Ramsland is partisan, I get that. But he isn't the one doing the audits. The hit on Waldron is he has no election audit experience. Fair point. But there are at least six other people on the team and I have not seen anything about their resumes just a rush to dismiss them as 'inexperienced and incompetent'. Why does the media run with that without providing any detail of that? They go with Macias comments but do not bother getting any feedback from ASOG as to his comments?Those people also trust Alex Jones... Do you consider him an expert in anything? Courts have CRITERIA for being considered an expert witness...
And there was evidence that not only did Russia interfere in the election, but also that Trump and his team were in contact with Russian officials during that election period. That wasn't made up out of the blue.Fair point except this country was subjected to a narrative that Trump colluded with Russia. Not only the media but the DOJ/FBI were complicit in pushing that narrative even though they knew they had nothing to base it on. So the widespread 'conspiracy' is not far fetched because the same players have done this in the recent past.
Sorry, you cannot dismiss the millions that don't believe the election was legit by censoring them, deplatforming them and tagging them with 'conspiracy theorist' dismissive labels. You have to provide real audits and data to show them their concerns are not well founded. It should not be difficult to do that but it is being thwarted by these entities, like Maricopa, putting out bullshit audits to try and show they investigate (themselves) when they didn't. That just bolsters the belief that this was fraud.
Present that team's credentials, what makes them credible.What have you presented to dismiss the team members of ASOG as not competent? Now you bring Alex Jones into the convo? It seems more a smear job. Ramsland is partisan, I get that. But he isn't the one doing the audits. The hit on Waldron is he has no election audit experience. Fair point. But there are at least six other people on the team and I have not seen anything about their resumes just a rush to dismiss them as 'inexperienced and incompetent'. Why does the media run with that without providing any detail of that? They go with Macias comments but do not bother getting any feedback from ASOG as to his comments?
What have you presented to dismiss the team members of ASOG as not competent? Now you bring Alex Jones into the convo? It seems more a smear job. Ramsland is partisan, I get that. But he isn't the one doing the audits. The hit on Waldron is he has no election audit experience. Fair point. But there are at least six other people on the team and I have not seen anything about their resumes just a rush to dismiss them as 'inexperienced and incompetent'. Why does the media run with that without providing any detail of that? They go with Macias comments but do not bother getting any feedback from ASOG as to his comments?
You do realize that "with the AZ Senate paying for another audit" really means is Arizona taxpayers.. At this point I would say go ahead AZ Senate on one condition. If nothing of significance is found then the Republican Party reimburses the AZ taxpayer.I have no problem with the AZ SENATE paying for another audit with a CREDIBLE firm.. ASOG is a bunch of losers who couldn't audit the IT department of a community school and reach a credible conclusion...
As the first week of March began, election experts in Arizona were skeptical that the exercise would be a serious effort to examine the accuracy of Maricopa County’s 2020 results.
“In this case, Sen. Fann and House members are chasing down a rabbit hole that was proposed by Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell back in November. Now they’re trying to find the evidence,” said Benny White, a longtime Republican Party election observer in Pima County, which is not far from Phoenix. “I don’t want to talk poorly about my legislators, but I don’t know what the hell they are doing. They don’t understand election administration at all. They don’t understand how these machines work. They don’t understand how votes are calculated and aggregated. They are in a political position where they think they have to do something [to respond to Trump supporters]. So they’re trying to do something.”
Nothing new there. They get elected for the R after their name, not because they are smart or know how to do anything.It looks like that Arizona State Senate Republicans don't really know what they are doing.
https://billmoyers.com/story/the-recount-arizona-republicans-are-calling-for-has-big-implications/
Republicans who control the Arizona Senate announced March 18 they now intend to do a complete recount of 2.1 million ballots in the state’s most populous county to ensure that President Joe Biden’s November win was legitimate.
Senate President Karen Fann had been pushing for a "full forensic audit" of Maricopa County’s election result and won a court order on Feb. 26 granting the Senate access to the ballots and tabulation machines. But she had never acknowledged until this week that she wanted a full recount, something state law doesn’t allow except in narrow circumstances.
Previous documents obtained by The Associated Press showed Fann intended to recount "at least" 550,000 ballots.
The county Board of Supervisors had argued the ballots were secret and the machines need to remain secure and fought a subpoena issued by Senate Republicans.
Since winning that court fight, Fann has been trying to locate an auditing firm that can do the deep dive she wants. Some Republican backers of former President Donald Trump allege there was fraud in the election in Arizona and other battleground states that led to his defeat. Fann said she wants to answer their questions one way or the other.
Fann announced Thursday that she had decided on a specific firm to oversee the audit but did not reveal its name, saying she was still negotiating final details.
She had previously been considering a company with deep ties to Trump’s campaign but said last month that it was no longer being considered. The Allied Security Operations Group worked with Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani to raise baseless allegations of election fraud and counting errors in Arizona and other states.
Fann’s announcement said she now intends to do a full hand recount of the ballots in addition to testing the tabulation machines and rescanning all the ballots. She said she hopes to do the work at county buildings to ensure ballot security.
But county spokesman Fields Moseley said the county hasn’t had any recent discussions about allowing the Senate to use its facilities for its new audit. Early this month. Board Chair Jack Sellers sent a letter to Fann and other GOP senators asking where she wanted the ballots delivered. The Senate said it had no room for them and hoped to use county facilities.
A full hand-recount will be challenging because it will require scores of people and observers if Fann is to end up with a trusted product.
She said she hopes the effort is bipartisan, but Senate Democrats said that is laughable.
"We never wanted anything to do with that," said Sen. Lupe Contreras, the assistant minority leader. "I guess you could say we worked in a bipartisan way since we backed the Board of Supervisors, which is all Republican but one," Contreras said.
The five-member county Board of Supervisors has pointed to repeated checks that showed the election was free, fair, and properly conducted. They included pre-election and post-election tests of counting equipment and software and a hand count of a ballot sample that showed the machine count was accurate.
Random question if anyone wants to entertain.
1) The likelihood of finding an Unbiased party in this polarizing day and age is nearly impossible. BUT to be fair, Biased or NOT if there is credible evidence to sustain an accusation or charge. Why does being a Bias party devalue the FACT of the evidence?
2) In regards to Voting machines, Yes hand counts will likely validate the Machines. There are 3 parts to the full claim;
Part 1 is potential Machine manipulation that has been seemingly debunked.
Part 2 is potential fraudulent counted votes, that was pushed through the system. Meaning no matter how many times you re count count is the same BUT the actual vote that went in was Fraudulent.
Part 3 Signature Verifications and Process. If it was not verified properly and pushed through, again the hand count is meaningless. You cannot un-count an unverified signature or fraudulent vote once its pushed through the system.
3) Last but not least and I have always been curious. As I stand behind this specific comment. IF the "naysayers" say there is NO fraud. Wouldn't the best opportunity to STUFF it in peoples face is to Go through an investigation, get a proper adjudication saying there is NO Fraud or that the election "process" was not tainted? Why would you not support an investigation or MORE so an actual litigation. Mind you the 6 major Trump cases were all dismissed due to Lack of Standing, NOT lack of evidence.
Personal Note, I do NOT think there was actual Fraud per se to change the out come of the election. I think the Executive & Judicial branches, intervened in the legal election process of "specific battle ground States" to which Constitutionally ONLY the legislative branches have authority to amend changes. While this is NOT fraud per se, it is unconstitutional election interference that could have changed the outcome of the election.
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