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Maricopa County judge finds GOP Senate subpoenas of election materials are 'legal and enforceable'



Like the idiots at ASOG, you are making lots of assumptions about the machines and adjudication logs. For instance, do we know these machines have always been used in Antrim County? Did Antrim County use the adjudication software in the past and then discontinued using it in the last election? The 68% adjudication rate is very easy to explain... The ballot layout file was WRONG and therefore could not read the ballots. Ironically, that's EXACTLY the explanation the county gave when it was discovered. When you have NO IDEA how stuff actually works, it's easy to make all kinds of assumptions about nefarious activity just like ASOG did... When they are deposed their credibility will be FURTHER destroyed...
 
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A real audit will provide data to support whatever conclusions they make. The existing 'audit' in Maricopa was half assed at best. They never looked at any actual ballots nor did any analysis of any of the system logs on the Dominion machines.


I have no problem with the AZ SENATE paying for another audit with a CREDIBLE firm.. ASOG is a bunch of losers who couldn't audit the IT department of a community school and reach a credible conclusion...
 
ASOG is highly biased and has failed to show reliable credentials that they should even be involved in doing any sort of evaluations. Allowing ASOG to do the investigation/review/audit would be like allowing BLM or NAACP do an "independent investigation" into police and government actions against people of any/every demographic.
 
When the ballot is rejected upon first scan and THEN gets kicked to adjudication, is there no log of that event? Why did ASOG find logs from prior elections but the 2020 log had been deleted?
 
I have no problem with the AZ SENATE paying for another audit with a CREDIBLE firm.. ASOG is a bunch of losers who couldn't audit the IT department of a community school and reach a credible conclusion...
That is pure opinion. Do you have the resumes of all of the people on the ASOG team? Can you even name who they are?

FWIW, I have suggested mixing in people from other groups as 'observers' or as part of the team. The Finnish guy from the Kill Chain documentary (produced by someone who does not support Trump) would be a good start.
 


Yep, I can actually name them... The idiot lawyer and ASOG some how got the idea that there is such a thing as secret expert witnesses.... The judge reminded them there is no such thing...



Here are their names:

Russell Ramsland
Col. James P. Waldron
Doug Logan
representatives of Atlanta-based software developer and data security firm, Sullivan Strickler
Katherine Friess
C. James Hayes
Todd B. Sanders


Which ones have a history of auditing ANY election?
 
Fine, let's get this matter out in the open and not just smear people with questions and attempt to bully them into silence. The energy put forth to prevent any transparent analysis or civil discussion of this topic is quite the red flag. Millions of people saw Trump's lead on 11/3 disappear in the wee hours of the night after six swing states all decided to halt vote counting. Then they resume, at least some of them (like Fulton County) without any observers and SHAZAM - Biden is leading. That will never sit well with millions without a full airing of who made those calls and why?

Do you think the Michigan AG should criminally prosecute any attorney that brings a lawsuit suggesting election fraud?
 
But they have the trust of the people that are questioning the election so why not inject observers from elsewhere into their audit team? At the end of the day, it should be about data and facts that are published so that others can evaluate.
 

Oh, it's getting out in the open... Every one of these "experts" is being deposed in Antrim County... Trial date is June 8-9th..





Of course election lawsuits should not be prosecuted.... However, their "experts" should be very careful not to lie under oath...
 
But they have the trust of the people that are questioning the election so why not inject observers from elsewhere into their audit team? At the end of the day, it should be about data and facts that are published so that others can evaluate.
And NAACP and BLM have the trust of those who would be questioning police actions.

If you want a fair and unbiased evaluation, you do not get to bring in a biased-for-you group to perform an audit/check of the system you question. That is not fair at all. And they could easily fudge the data they do get in order to fit their own agenda, their already held conclusions. These guys should not be involved in any sort of evaluation, particularly not any official evaluations of our voting systems at all.

Why is it so hard to get an independent source? Perhaps not having trust in the official explanations is the problem of those questioning it to begin with, not the official source, audit itself. When conspiracy theorists are set on a conclusion, no evidence satisfies the except something that could possibly show something for them, regardless if it is from twisting information. This is why those Flat Earthers in the documentary on them couldn't accept the results of their own experiments that they even said "if this happens, it shows we are wrong and the Earth is wrong" or "if the Earth is round, then this should come out to this". Guess what happened? They found the calculation for what they said would conclude the Earth was round then claimed "well we must have done the experiment wrong".

No one who is claiming there is fraud should be involved in this check.
 
But they have the trust of the people that are questioning the election so why not inject observers from elsewhere into their audit team? At the end of the day, it should be about data and facts that are published so that others can evaluate.


Those people also trust Alex Jones... Do you consider him an expert in anything? Courts have CRITERIA for being considered an expert witness...
 
Fair point except this country was subjected to a narrative that Trump colluded with Russia. Not only the media but the DOJ/FBI were complicit in pushing that narrative even though they knew they had nothing to base it on. So the widespread 'conspiracy' is not far fetched because the same players have done this in the recent past.

Sorry, you cannot dismiss the millions that don't believe the election was legit by censoring them, deplatforming them and tagging them with 'conspiracy theorist' dismissive labels. You have to provide real audits and data to show them their concerns are not well founded. It should not be difficult to do that but it is being thwarted by these entities, like Maricopa, putting out bullshit audits to try and show they investigate (themselves) when they didn't. That just bolsters the belief that this was fraud.
 
Those people also trust Alex Jones... Do you consider him an expert in anything? Courts have CRITERIA for being considered an expert witness...
What have you presented to dismiss the team members of ASOG as not competent? Now you bring Alex Jones into the convo? It seems more a smear job. Ramsland is partisan, I get that. But he isn't the one doing the audits. The hit on Waldron is he has no election audit experience. Fair point. But there are at least six other people on the team and I have not seen anything about their resumes just a rush to dismiss them as 'inexperienced and incompetent'. Why does the media run with that without providing any detail of that? They go with Macias comments but do not bother getting any feedback from ASOG as to his comments?
 
And there was evidence that not only did Russia interfere in the election, but also that Trump and his team were in contact with Russian officials during that election period. That wasn't made up out of the blue.

But there was no widespread conspiracy theory in that. Russia really was caught setting up fake social media accounts so that they could spread misinformation about Trump's Democratic opponents. That isn't a wild theory. It is fact. The only thing they didn't find is evidence that Trump or his team knew or made a deal with anyone in Russia to do it.

And yes, you can dismiss people as conspiracy theorists when they make claims of expertise without providing any evidence of such. Show the evidence that he or anyone who works for him is actually credentialed, certified to do any of these analyses. Real audits were done. People like you and Trump didn't like that they showed no significant fraud or issues, so you simply claim they aren't real, they are wrong.
 
Present that team's credentials, what makes them credible.

 

In the real world and in a courtroom, those claiming to be experts in a particular subject present their credentials, not the other way around. Waldron is a well known quantity with no expertise in auditing elections or anything else for that matter.
 
I have no problem with the AZ SENATE paying for another audit with a CREDIBLE firm.. ASOG is a bunch of losers who couldn't audit the IT department of a community school and reach a credible conclusion...
You do realize that "with the AZ Senate paying for another audit" really means is Arizona taxpayers.. At this point I would say go ahead AZ Senate on one condition. If nothing of significance is found then the Republican Party reimburses the AZ taxpayer.

You do make a good point of hiring a "creditable" firm to do the audit. What the fringe Republicans would consider "creditable" is not what others would say. Seems the Republicans in Arizona is going for ASOG. So much for creditability.
Fann picks Trump-allied firm with history of false election statements to audit Maricopa election (azmirror.com)

My prediction is the ASOG report will say the opposite of what the Maricopa County paid audit found.
 
More about the "experts" is coming out... You can run but you can't hide...


Political operatives working on behalf of a man who filed an election lawsuit against Antrim County, identified themselves to township officials as representing Rudy Giuliani’s legal team, and accessed official election data in at least one township, according to local officials.

Court filings in Michigan and Arizona state the operatives who identified themselves as a forensics team from Dallas-based Allied Security Operations Group, visited the Central Lake Township office on Nov. 27 at 10:30 a.m. and were shown “two separate paper totals tape” from a precinct tabulator, which they later analyzed and compared.

“They made calls to township people on Thanksgiving Day to set all this up, they were strong-arming local clerks to get in and see those machines,” said Antrim County Clerk Sheryl Guy, of the visitors.


“Some clerks said no or didn’t answer their phones,” Guy said. “And as soon as we could, we sent out an email telling the clerks not to let them in. Then we learn after the fact, they’d already been in three different locations.”

The group also visited offices in Star Township and the Village of Mancelona, officials confirmed.

Among those arriving Nov. 27 by chartered jet, was attorney Katherine Friess, a Washington, D.C. lobbyist with past ties to Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, who local officials said “bragged” about dining with President Donald Trump and Giuliani the evening prior to her arrival.

Guy, a Republican, said she thought Friess shared the information about having dinner with Trump and Giuliani, in an effort to try and impress local officials.

Friess is the CEO of the lobbying firm, Global Policy Partners, the website of which defers to another firm, 8150 Consulting, of Denver. She was previously the director of BKSH & Associates, created by a merger with another lobbying firm, BMSK, of Washington D.C., founded by Manafort and Stone, among others, filings with the U.S. Department of Justice show.

Manafort chaired Trump’s presidential campaign for several months in 2016, Stone worked on Trump’s campaign in 2015, both men were indicted on multiple charges arising from Special Council Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian election interference, and later pardoned by Trump.

Giuliani is the former Mayor of New York City and an attorney who the former president put in charge of his post-election legal challenges.


 
It looks like that Arizona State Senate Republicans don't really know what they are doing.


https://billmoyers.com/story/the-recount-arizona-republicans-are-calling-for-has-big-implications/
 
I think a bunch of this is running covet for GOP censorship and voter suppression.
 
The Arizona State Senate Republicans want to do a complete hand recount of the approximate 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County. The Arizona State Senate President has stated she found a firm to do the audit, but she hasn't named that firm yet.


 
Random question if anyone wants to entertain.

1) The likelihood of finding an Unbiased party in this polarizing day and age is nearly impossible. BUT to be fair, Biased or NOT if there is credible evidence to sustain an accusation or charge. Why does being a Bias party devalue the FACT of the evidence?

2) In regards to Voting machines, Yes hand counts will likely validate the Machines. There are 3 parts to the full claim;
Part 1 is potential Machine manipulation that has been seemingly debunked.
Part 2 is potential fraudulent counted votes, that was pushed through the system. Meaning no matter how many times you re count count is the same BUT the actual vote that went in was Fraudulent.
Part 3 Signature Verifications and Process. If it was not verified properly and pushed through, again the hand count is meaningless. You cannot un-count an unverified signature or fraudulent vote once its pushed through the system.


3) Last but not least and I have always been curious. As I stand behind this specific comment. IF the "naysayers" say there is NO fraud. Wouldn't the best opportunity to STUFF it in peoples face is to Go through an investigation, get a proper adjudication saying there is NO Fraud or that the election "process" was not tainted? Why would you not support an investigation or MORE so an actual litigation. Mind you the 6 major Trump cases were all dismissed due to Lack of Standing, NOT lack of evidence.


Personal Note, I do NOT think there was actual Fraud per se to change the out come of the election. I think the Executive & Judicial branches, intervened in the legal election process of "specific battle ground States" to which Constitutionally ONLY the legislative branches have authority to amend changes. While this is NOT fraud per se, it is unconstitutional election interference that could have changed the outcome of the election.
 
I love how the Republican Party is being so open and transparent about the election results.
" Fann announced Thursday that she had decided on a specific firm to oversee the audit but did not reveal its name, saying she was still negotiating final details"
Arizona Senate to hand-count 2.1 million Maricopa County ballots (azcentral.com)

Last night on the local news Fann said she hoped to get a group of volunteers together to do the hand count. Wonder how bipartisan the group will be along with the people overseeing the hand count.

What a waste of tax payer money.
 

Because the ones claiming fraud are in a conspiracy theory wack job level. Proof does not matter.
and's its not NO fraud it's nothing at the level that would change the elections.
So far all the fraud I've seen has been committed by the pro-trump side anyway.
 
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