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Man who tried to kill Trump was researching the Crumbleys

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Man who tried to kill Trump was researching the Crumbleys

The 20-year-old Pennsylvania shooter who tried to kill former President Donald Trump did just what anti-gun violence crusaders have long fought to prevent: he looked up a like-minded person who gained notoriety for a massacre: Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley.

In a meeting with lawmakers Friday, the FBI and U.S. Secret Service disclosed that they found a picture of Crumbley's mug shot on the cell phone of Trump's would-be assassin, Thomas Matthew Crooks, who also had been researching the Oxford shooter and his parents on the Internet, according to CNN.

This information came as no surprise to Steve St. Juliana, whose 14-year-old daughter, Hana, was among four students murdered in the 2021 Oxford High School shooting.

"It's pretty established that all of these shooters research what's gone on before, so it's not really a surprise," said Steve St. Juliana, who attended an end-gun-violence march in Oxford last month. He and his older daughter also are part of a no-notoriety movement, which encourages the media not to over-publicize a mass shooter's name and image to avoid giving them the notoriety they crave, potentially inspiring other would-be shooters.

St. Juliana said when he learned about Trump's would-be assassin researching the Oxford shooter and his parents, the notoriety aspect was "the first thing that came to mind."

"It just purports what myself and my daughter have been pushing for — no notoriety," St. Juliana said. "This is just a perfect example of why ... It feeds on itself."

Forensic psychologist Colin King, who interviewed the Oxford shooter and testified at various hearings involving the juvenile's life without parole sentence, said he suspects the Trump shooter was looking for tips from the Oxford case.

"It appears he researched the Oxford shooter and in someway used him as a mentor to perpetuate violence against former President Trump," King said. "It appears, however, that he was looking for a high profile target that will somehow gain high notoriety, either in life or in death."

Andy Arena, Detroit's former FBI chief, said he also was not surprised to learn that Crooks was researching the Crumbleys.

"(There are) a lot of similarities between the two shooters: Two young men, both appear to have struggled to fit in," Arena said.

The two shooters also both reportedly battled mental health issues, as the FBI and Secret Service said they have learned that Crooks also searched for information on major depressive disorder — which Ethan Crumbley was diagnosed with — and depressive crisis treatment.

"It sounds as though he's someone who was also struggling with mental illness, which was either unnoticed or untreated," said King, pointing out another similarity between Crooks and Crumbley, who wrote in his journal that his parents ignored his pleas for mental health issues.

Perhaps more notable is the weapons that were used in both the Oxford High School and Trump rally shootings.

Investigators have said Crooks used a gun owned by his father to try to kill the former president; Crumbley also used a gun bought by his father to shoot up his school.

James and Jennifer Crumbley, the Oxford shooter's mom and dad, made history this year when they became the first parents in America to be convicted in a mass school shooting carried out by their son. Two separate juries concluded the Crumbleys failed to secure a gun in their home and ignored their son's mental health issues, and therefore were responsible for the lives their child took.

Their son is serving a life-sentence without the possibility of parole. The parents got 10 years in prison. All three Crumbleys are appealing.

According to the FBI and the Secret Service, as reported by CNN, Crooks made numerous online searches for major political figures from both parties, including Trump and Biden, and their political events. Three days after the Trump campaign announced its rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, Crooks searched for the date and location of the Democratic National Convention, which takes place in August in Chicago, and for the location of the Butler Trump rally, where a sniper shot and killed Crooks within seconds of him opening fire on Trump from the top of a roof about 150 yards away.


Poor mental health infrastructure and easy access to firearms. Welcome to America.
 
Maybe he was trying to see if his parents would be held accountable. But he was 20.

We havent heard a thing from the family. Nada. Plenty of reasons why they wouldnt want to speak publicly but usually things come out.

Not even condolences to those shot.
 
Maybe he was trying to see if his parents would be held accountable. But he was 20.

We havent heard a thing from the family. Nada. Plenty of reasons why they wouldnt want to speak publicly but usually things come out.

Not even condolences to those shot.

I don't blame them really. The discourse right now on both sides is vicious. The last thing I'd want is for any single thing I say to a reporter being picked apart by hundreds of millions of people. I'm sure their dead son is enough right now.
 
I don't blame them really. The discourse right now on both sides is vicious. The last thing I'd want is for any single thing I say to a reporter being picked apart by hundreds of millions of people. I'm sure their dead son is enough right now.

The parents can, perhaps, be faulted for having a gun in the house. This poor old country mouse made his home gun-free years ago. The more difficult it is for someone intent upon mayhem or suicide to get their hands on a gun, the better the chance that a less lethal alternative will obtain.

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . informed.
 
The parents can, perhaps, be faulted for having a gun in the house. This poor old country mouse made his home gun-free years ago. The more difficult it is for someone intent upon mayhem or suicide to get their hands on a gun, the better the chance that a less lethal alternative will obtain.

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . informed.
Well, maybe someday if a crazed wolf comes prowling around the country mouse home to do harm, the mouse will have wished he had some protection.
 
Well, maybe someday if a crazed wolf comes prowling around the country mouse home to do harm, the mouse will have wished he had some protection.
The thing is guns often end up being used against people the shooter knows. Some data from Michigan on the left, and national on the right. In both, the people most at risk are people who are known versus strangers like "a crazed wolf".

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Man who tried to kill Trump was researching the Crumbleys

The 20-year-old Pennsylvania shooter who tried to kill former President Donald Trump did just what anti-gun violence crusaders have long fought to prevent: he looked up a like-minded person who gained notoriety for a massacre: Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley.

In a meeting with lawmakers Friday, the FBI and U.S. Secret Service disclosed that they found a picture of Crumbley's mug shot on the cell phone of Trump's would-be assassin, Thomas Matthew Crooks, who also had been researching the Oxford shooter and his parents on the Internet, according to CNN.

This information came as no surprise to Steve St. Juliana, whose 14-year-old daughter, Hana, was among four students murdered in the 2021 Oxford High School shooting.

"It's pretty established that all of these shooters research what's gone on before, so it's not really a surprise," said Steve St. Juliana, who attended an end-gun-violence march in Oxford last month. He and his older daughter also are part of a no-notoriety movement, which encourages the media not to over-publicize a mass shooter's name and image to avoid giving them the notoriety they crave, potentially inspiring other would-be shooters.

St. Juliana said when he learned about Trump's would-be assassin researching the Oxford shooter and his parents, the notoriety aspect was "the first thing that came to mind."

"It just purports what myself and my daughter have been pushing for — no notoriety," St. Juliana said. "This is just a perfect example of why ... It feeds on itself."

Forensic psychologist Colin King, who interviewed the Oxford shooter and testified at various hearings involving the juvenile's life without parole sentence, said he suspects the Trump shooter was looking for tips from the Oxford case.

"It appears he researched the Oxford shooter and in someway used him as a mentor to perpetuate violence against former President Trump," King said. "It appears, however, that he was looking for a high profile target that will somehow gain high notoriety, either in life or in death."

Andy Arena, Detroit's former FBI chief, said he also was not surprised to learn that Crooks was researching the Crumbleys.

"(There are) a lot of similarities between the two shooters: Two young men, both appear to have struggled to fit in," Arena said.

The two shooters also both reportedly battled mental health issues, as the FBI and Secret Service said they have learned that Crooks also searched for information on major depressive disorder — which Ethan Crumbley was diagnosed with — and depressive crisis treatment.

"It sounds as though he's someone who was also struggling with mental illness, which was either unnoticed or untreated," said King, pointing out another similarity between Crooks and Crumbley, who wrote in his journal that his parents ignored his pleas for mental health issues.

Perhaps more notable is the weapons that were used in both the Oxford High School and Trump rally shootings.

Investigators have said Crooks used a gun owned by his father to try to kill the former president; Crumbley also used a gun bought by his father to shoot up his school.

James and Jennifer Crumbley, the Oxford shooter's mom and dad, made history this year when they became the first parents in America to be convicted in a mass school shooting carried out by their son. Two separate juries concluded the Crumbleys failed to secure a gun in their home and ignored their son's mental health issues, and therefore were responsible for the lives their child took.

Their son is serving a life-sentence without the possibility of parole. The parents got 10 years in prison. All three Crumbleys are appealing.

According to the FBI and the Secret Service, as reported by CNN, Crooks made numerous online searches for major political figures from both parties, including Trump and Biden, and their political events. Three days after the Trump campaign announced its rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, Crooks searched for the date and location of the Democratic National Convention, which takes place in August in Chicago, and for the location of the Butler Trump rally, where a sniper shot and killed Crooks within seconds of him opening fire on Trump from the top of a roof about 150 yards away.


Poor mental health infrastructure and easy access to firearms. Welcome to America.
Notoriety is absolutely a major incentive to these misfits. Media should not be reporting even the Names of mass shooters and assassins, let alone their manifestos. They should be killed expeditiously, and buried in unmarked graves, or better yet the dead animal pit at the local landfill.
 
The thing is guns often end up being used against people the shooter knows. Some data from Michigan on the left, and national on the right. In both, the people most at risk are people who are known versus strangers like "a crazed wolf".

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and what if the mouse does not fit in your pie chart, and is confronted with a crazed wolf?
 
and what if the mouse does not fit in your pie chart, and is confronted with a crazed wolf?
It's all a matter of balance of risk. I now have several guns in my home. When I was married to X1, who revealed herself to be a psycho, I did not even have pointed kitchen knives in the house.
 
The GOP claims it's a mental health issue, not guns.

Fine, where are the GOP plans to tackle the mental health issue?

I don't know about the GOP, but I've been railing on the young male mental health crisis and the variables motivating these problems for many years, as have others, and it's been nothing but crickets from either political party.

If someone wants to change their gender, they'll organize parades and do backflips on television for the cause.

But as young males have exponentially engaged in self-destructive, suicidal, and even homicidal behaviors over the years, it's been mostly crickets from the parties. The only person who did anything that could be considered helpful was when President Obama got mental health parity passed. Since then, there hasn't been anything of significance in the mental health world to promote truly getting to the roots of our young male problem. It's also a problem across most, if not all, racial backgrounds. The problems just manifest in different ways across different races.

One thing that could help is for all service and helping professionals (not just in mental health) to receive tax incentives to provide pro-bono services. I personally provide tens of thousands of dollars in pro-bono services per year in mental health but get nothing to show for it. It's just lost income. Due to that reality, of all the other people I know in mental health, and it's a lot since I've been doing it for 20+ years, none of them do anything close to the amount of reduced rate, charitable, and/or "creative billing" for high deductible cases (nothing illegal). How much of an improvement could be created in families and their kids not being left in bad situations if they could easily access mental health, financial planning/banking/accounting, alternative education programming, academic evaluation and advocacy services, relocation services for families stuck in bad neighborhoods, and many other services that could improve the quality of lives? Lots more could be done, if only there was an incentive for professionals to do it.
 
I believe the disillusioned shooters believe they are doing the country a great deed and the best solution is the easiest one.
 
Well, maybe someday if a crazed wolf comes prowling around the country mouse home to do harm, the mouse will have wished he had some protection.

Hi, again, for the last time on this thread, Queen Margo.

We can prepare for possible risks based upon their chances of happening. We can weigh the costs of preparing for the risks. That's why most folks don't have life preservers hanging on the kitchen walls of their houses.

'Nuf said. Bye.

Regards, and best wishes to you and yours. May you all stay un-shot.
 
Hi, again, for the last time on this thread, Queen Margo.

We can prepare for possible risks based upon their chances of happening. We can weigh the costs of preparing for the risks. That's why most folks don't have life preservers hanging on the kitchen walls of their houses.

'Nuf said. Bye.

Regards, and best wishes to you and yours. May you all stay un-shot.
Yeah, well, most people probably don't have fire extinguishers either, but they sell them for a reason. It is called "being prepared"
 
Same place where the Democrats keep theirs.
So no plan from the GOP

The Dems plans are to restrict guns

If the GOP really is serious about it being a mental health issue, surely they must have a plan?

Put there money where there mouth is
 
Well, maybe someday if a crazed wolf comes prowling around the country mouse home to do harm, the mouse will have wished he had some protection.
No plan from the GOP to combat the mental health issue ?

Really ?

If the GOP actually believes 🙄
 
Man who tried to kill Trump was researching the Crumbleys

The 20-year-old Pennsylvania shooter who tried to kill former President Donald Trump did just what anti-gun violence crusaders have long fought to prevent: he looked up a like-minded person who gained notoriety for a massacre: Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley.

In a meeting with lawmakers Friday, the FBI and U.S. Secret Service disclosed that they found a picture of Crumbley's mug shot on the cell phone of Trump's would-be assassin, Thomas Matthew Crooks, who also had been researching the Oxford shooter and his parents on the Internet, according to CNN.

This information came as no surprise to Steve St. Juliana, whose 14-year-old daughter, Hana, was among four students murdered in the 2021 Oxford High School shooting.

"It's pretty established that all of these shooters research what's gone on before, so it's not really a surprise," said Steve St. Juliana, who attended an end-gun-violence march in Oxford last month. He and his older daughter also are part of a no-notoriety movement, which encourages the media not to over-publicize a mass shooter's name and image to avoid giving them the notoriety they crave, potentially inspiring other would-be shooters.

St. Juliana said when he learned about Trump's would-be assassin researching the Oxford shooter and his parents, the notoriety aspect was "the first thing that came to mind."

"It just purports what myself and my daughter have been pushing for — no notoriety," St. Juliana said. "This is just a perfect example of why ... It feeds on itself."

Forensic psychologist Colin King, who interviewed the Oxford shooter and testified at various hearings involving the juvenile's life without parole sentence, said he suspects the Trump shooter was looking for tips from the Oxford case.

"It appears he researched the Oxford shooter and in someway used him as a mentor to perpetuate violence against former President Trump," King said. "It appears, however, that he was looking for a high profile target that will somehow gain high notoriety, either in life or in death."

Andy Arena, Detroit's former FBI chief, said he also was not surprised to learn that Crooks was researching the Crumbleys.

"(There are) a lot of similarities between the two shooters: Two young men, both appear to have struggled to fit in," Arena said.

The two shooters also both reportedly battled mental health issues, as the FBI and Secret Service said they have learned that Crooks also searched for information on major depressive disorder — which Ethan Crumbley was diagnosed with — and depressive crisis treatment.

"It sounds as though he's someone who was also struggling with mental illness, which was either unnoticed or untreated," said King, pointing out another similarity between Crooks and Crumbley, who wrote in his journal that his parents ignored his pleas for mental health issues.

Perhaps more notable is the weapons that were used in both the Oxford High School and Trump rally shootings.

Investigators have said Crooks used a gun owned by his father to try to kill the former president; Crumbley also used a gun bought by his father to shoot up his school.

James and Jennifer Crumbley, the Oxford shooter's mom and dad, made history this year when they became the first parents in America to be convicted in a mass school shooting carried out by their son. Two separate juries concluded the Crumbleys failed to secure a gun in their home and ignored their son's mental health issues, and therefore were responsible for the lives their child took.

Their son is serving a life-sentence without the possibility of parole. The parents got 10 years in prison. All three Crumbleys are appealing.

According to the FBI and the Secret Service, as reported by CNN, Crooks made numerous online searches for major political figures from both parties, including Trump and Biden, and their political events. Three days after the Trump campaign announced its rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, Crooks searched for the date and location of the Democratic National Convention, which takes place in August in Chicago, and for the location of the Butler Trump rally, where a sniper shot and killed Crooks within seconds of him opening fire on Trump from the top of a roof about 150 yards away.


Poor mental health infrastructure and easy access to firearms. Welcome to America.
Crumbleys ?

Is that a sitcom

No idea
 
The GOP claims it's a mental health issue, not guns.

Fine, where are the GOP plans to tackle the mental health issue?
When are the Dems? You've had POTUS for 4 years. Where's the progress?

You claim "GOP claims it's a mental health issue". Do you think it's NOT, and just guns? That is a very simplistic claim.
 
I don't know about the GOP, but I've been railing on the young male mental health crisis and the variables motivating these problems for many years, as have others, and it's been nothing but crickets from either political party.

If someone wants to change their gender, they'll organize parades and do backflips on television for the cause.

But as young males have exponentially engaged in self-destructive, suicidal, and even homicidal behaviors over the years, it's been mostly crickets from the parties. The only person who did anything that could be considered helpful was when President Obama got mental health parity passed. Since then, there hasn't been anything of significance in the mental health world to promote truly getting to the roots of our young male problem. It's also a problem across most, if not all, racial backgrounds. The problems just manifest in different ways across different races.

One thing that could help is for all service and helping professionals (not just in mental health) to receive tax incentives to provide pro-bono services. I personally provide tens of thousands of dollars in pro-bono services per year in mental health but get nothing to show for it. It's just lost income. Due to that reality, of all the other people I know in mental health, and it's a lot since I've been doing it for 20+ years, none of them do anything close to the amount of reduced rate, charitable, and/or "creative billing" for high deductible cases (nothing illegal). How much of an improvement could be created in families and their kids not being left in bad situations if they could easily access mental health, financial planning/banking/accounting, alternative education programming, academic evaluation and advocacy services, relocation services for families stuck in bad neighborhoods, and many other services that could improve the quality of lives? Lots more could be done, if only there was an incentive for professionals to do it.
I like your thinking. Thank you for your work.
 
The thing is guns often end up being used against people the shooter knows. Some data from Michigan on the left, and national on the right. In both, the people most at risk are people who are known versus strangers like "a crazed wolf".

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Gang bangers shooting other gang bangers that they know fall in the “acquaintance” category.
 
Crumbleys ?

Is that a sitcom

No idea

School shooter Ethan Crumbley.

The 20-year-old Pennsylvania shooter who tried to kill former President Donald Trump did just what anti-gun violence crusaders have long fought to prevent: he looked up a like-minded person who gained notoriety for a massacre: Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley.

 
Well, maybe someday if a crazed wolf comes prowling around the country mouse home to do harm, the mouse will have wished he had some protection.
What a stupid ****ing post.
Wolf and sheep.
Cat and mice.
Read nursery rhymes much?
 
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