Man Decides to Pull a Cop over, Asks for His ID

[pbrauer]

This guy must have a set of balls, to be stopping a cop and ask him for his ID.

Man Decides to Pull a Cop over, Asks for His ID | Mediaite

How’s this for a twist? An average citizen decided to pull a Washington state police officer over, asked him a few questions, and even checked his identification.

Gavin Seim pulled the cop over for what appeared to be an unmarked sheriff car violation. And the conversation, remarkably, didn’t get as heated as you might think.

Seim asked the officer for some identification to prove who he is. After some hesitation, the officer obliged. He asked if this was some kind of game; Seim responded, “This isn’t a game, it’s called law.”

Seim proceeded to inform the officer that stopping people in an unmarked car is in violation of state law. He advised the officer to take the car back and said, “I know you’re smiling, but we the citizens do have a right to hold you guys accountable. If I’m in open violation of the law, I could call a sheriff out here and demand you be written up for this.”

And considering what Seim was saying to the cop, their conversation was remarkably cordia

Seim is a very liberty-minded person who explained on his website what he considers problematic here:

Ordinary looking unmarked police cars slink around and entrap, so they can write folks up (read tax) for petty faults. That’s not protecting. As my brother Blake says, “serve and protect, not harass and collect.” — But this is also a major safety issue. Unmarked vehicles are a ripe opportunity for confusion in a citizens reaction and for criminals to impersonate lawful authority to get people to stop.

People have been raped and even murdered because of this, so the law is good sense.

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Watch the video below:




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[Paleocon]

This guy must have a set of balls, to be stopping a cop and ask him for his ID.

Man Decides to Pull a Cop over, Asks for His ID | Mediaite

How’s this for a twist? An average citizen decided to pull a Washington state police officer over, asked him a few questions, and even checked his identification.

Gavin Seim pulled the cop over for what appeared to be an unmarked sheriff car violation. And the conversation, remarkably, didn’t get as heated as you might think.

Seim asked the officer for some identification to prove who he is. After some hesitation, the officer obliged. He asked if this was some kind of game; Seim responded, “This isn’t a game, it’s called law.”

Seim proceeded to inform the officer that stopping people in an unmarked car is in violation of state law. He advised the officer to take the car back and said, “I know you’re smiling, but we the citizens do have a right to hold you guys accountable. If I’m in open violation of the law, I could call a sheriff out here and demand you be written up for this.”

And considering what Seim was saying to the cop, their conversation was remarkably cordia

Seim is a very liberty-minded person who explained on his website what he considers problematic here:

Ordinary looking unmarked police cars slink around and entrap, so they can write folks up (read tax) for petty faults. That’s not protecting. As my brother Blake says, “serve and protect, not harass and collect.” — But this is also a major safety issue. Unmarked vehicles are a ripe opportunity for confusion in a citizens reaction and for criminals to impersonate lawful authority to get people to stop.

People have been raped and even murdered because of this, so the law is good sense.

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Watch the video below:




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Police officers really shouldn't be able to pull people over while in an unmarked car. The danger of being raped, robbed, or even murdered by cop impersonators is simply too great.

 

[Bodi]

Police officers really shouldn't be able to pull people over while in an unmarked car. The danger of being raped, robbed, or even murdered by cop impersonators is simply too great.

The guy alludes to that with his "daughter" analogy.

This would not have worked if the guy was not very clearly in the right and knew his stuff. Good job to him and thanks for the link pb.

 

[JumpinJack]

This guy must have a set of balls, to be stopping a cop and ask him for his ID.

You mean like this?:

 

[Peter King]

I think unmarked police officer cars are great, it shows which people are only obeying the law because a marked police car is around and which are the traffic violation assholes who do not care for the safety of their fellow roadusers.

 

[SMTA]

I think unmarked police officer cars are great, it shows which people are only obeying the law because a marked police car is around and which are the traffic violation assholes who do not care for the safety of their fellow roadusers.

Of course you have no problem allowing the unbridled control of law enforcement.

 

[Peter King]

Of course you have no problem allowing the unbridled control of law enforcement.

Being able to patrol in unmarked police cars is not unbridled control of law enforcement at all, saying that is just totally untrue.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

Yeah, Seim's got big brass ones alright.

Police officers really shouldn't be able to pull people over while in an unmarked car. The danger of being raped, robbed, or even murdered by cop impersonators is simply too great.

I've heard from more than one source, including cops, if you're uneasy about being pulled over by an unmarked car (or a marked one for that matter), you should drive to a well-lit populated area before stopping, then ask that a marked car with uniformed officer(s) be dispatched. Course, that risks you being "pitted", dragged out of your vehicle, beaten, and/or shot. If you survive all that, you may be charged, tried, convicted and sentenced for "resisting" in addition to whatever you were stopped for.

 

[What if...?]

Yeah, Seim's got big brass ones alright.



I've heard from more than one source, including cops, if you're uneasy about being pulled over by an unmarked car (or a marked one for that matter), you should drive to a well-lit populated area before stopping, then ask that a marked car with uniformed officer(s) be dispatched. Course, that risks you being "pitted", dragged out of your vehicle, beaten, and/or shot. If you survive all that, you may be charged, tried, convicted and sentenced for "resisting" in addition to whatever you were stopped for.

Here in CA it is perfectly legal to proceed to a public place before stopping for even a marked car. Had a cop molesting women and a fake cop in a fake car.

 

[Manc Skipper]

He's a self-important dolt.

 

[Henrin]

I think unmarked police officer cars are great, it shows which people are only obeying the law because a marked police car is around and which are the traffic violation assholes who do not care for the safety of their fellow roadusers.

We wouldn't want anyone speeding or breaking another safety law. No, that would be wrong.

No, we have to stop people from speeding because we all know speed doesn't generally regulate itself. Hell, I bet speed is a determining factor in most accidents. It's not, you say? Hmmm..

 

[SMTA]

Being able to patrol in unmarked police cars is not unbridled control of law enforcement at all, saying that is just totally untrue.

Your willingness for subjugation is duly noted.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

Here in CA it is perfectly legal to proceed to a public place before stopping for even a marked car. Had a cop molesting women and a fake cop in a fake car.

Being legal doesn't mean there won't be negative consequences. And no, I'm not discouraging anyone from doing it - just sayin'.

 

[clownboy]

Pulling over a cop in an unmarked vehicle is the height of stupidity. The cop may be surveilling someone dangerous or on a call in which case you can be charged with obstruction and whatever charges are available for outing an officer working under cover. If you have concerns about what the officer is doing, contact the police about it.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

He's a self-important dolt.

Mmm...I dunno. Cops aren't above the law and should be held accountable, even to a higher standard. I kinda admire Seim for doing so. But yeah, this particular battle may not have been worth fighting.

 

[clownboy]

Mmm...I dunno. Cops aren't above the law and should be held accountable, even to a higher standard. I kinda admire Seim for doing so. But yeah, this particular battle may not have been worth fighting.

Cops aren't above the law, but when they are legitimately doing their job they should not be harassed by this yahoo. Again, there are lots of legitimate reasons for the police to be in an unmarked vehicle. But generally it's because they don't want to be noticed as cops. You obstruct their job by calling attention to them.

 

[Bodi]

Yeah, Seim's got big brass ones alright.



I've heard from more than one source, including cops, if you're uneasy about being pulled over by an unmarked car (or a marked one for that matter), you should drive to a well-lit populated area before stopping, then ask that a marked car with uniformed officer(s) be dispatched. Course, that risks you being "pitted", dragged out of your vehicle, beaten, and/or shot. If you survive all that, you may be charged, tried, convicted and sentenced for "resisting" in addition to whatever you were stopped for.

Not if you slowly drive with your indicator lights signalling that you are pulling over...

 

[Peter King]

We wouldn't want anyone speeding or breaking another safety law. No, that would be wrong.

No, we have to stop people from speeding because we all know speed doesn't generally regulate itself. Hell, I bet speed is a determining factor in most accidents. It's not, you say? Hmmm..

Yeah, the laws of physics and reality of traffic laws only work in countries outside of the United States.

From a scientific study from the Netherlands:

Speed is one of the basic risk factors in traffic. Higher speeds lead to higher impact speeds and thus to more severe injuries. At higher speeds there is also less time to process all relevant information and to react accordingly, also the breaking distance is much greater. That means that the odds of avoiding an accident also diminish with a higher speed.

In short, higher driving speeds increase the risk of an accident and also increase the severity of that accident.

Speed laws in the US must have just been introduced to piss people off rather than to make people on the road safer. And the police is just doing this to anger drivers because there is no logical way that people keeping themselves to the speed laws could make it safer on the roads. :roll:

 

[Peter King]

Your willingness for subjugation is duly noted.

Yes, because only real rebels drive like inconsiderate assholes.

 

[Gringo allstar]

Yes, because only real rebels drive like inconsiderate assholes.

Can we agree there is a difference between driving at a high rate of speed on the freeway, and driving like a inconsiderate asshole?

I personally do 90/100mph on the interstate while being very considerate of other motorists.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

Pulling over a cop in an unmarked vehicle is the height of stupidity. The cop may be surveilling someone dangerous or on a call in which case you can be charged with obstruction and whatever charges are available for outing an officer working under cover.

Cops aren't above the law, but when they are legitimately doing their job they should not be harassed by this yahoo. Again, there are lots of legitimate reasons for the police to be in an unmarked vehicle. But generally it's because they don't want to be noticed as cops. You obstruct their job by calling attention to them.

I don't disagree with any of that. But let's stick to the OP rather than speculating about what cops might be doing in an unmarked vehicle. THIS cop was in uniform and said nothing about surveilling anyone or being undercover or on a call. However, he did admit to pulling over cars with an unmarked vehicle, something that apparently is illegal in that jurisdiction. If that's true, he was breaking the law (unwittingly or otherwise), not "legitimately doing his job." In that case, it was entirely appropriate for this "yahoo" to call him on it. But again, not a battle I would consider worth fighting.

If you have concerns about what the officer is doing, contact the police about it.

Yup, no question that's a better way to do it.

 

[clownboy]

Can we agree there is a difference between driving at a high rate of speed on the freeway, and driving like a inconsiderate asshole?

I personally do 90/100mph on the interstate while being very considerate of other motorists.

I disagree somewhat. Driving that fast puts other drivers at risk and that's not "considerate". Even if you are some trained driving machine with a perfectly maintained vehicle that can handle those speeds AND the highway itself is perfectly maintained and designed for those speeds - other people are sharing that roadway with you and don't all have the skills to know how to drive along side those who are going like a bat out of hell.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

Not if you slowly drive with your indicator lights signalling that you are pulling over...

Maybe in New Zealand. Here, I'm not so sure.

 

[clownboy]

I don't disagree with any of that. But let's stick to the OP rather than speculating about what cops might be doing in an unmarked vehicle. THIS cop was in uniform and said nothing about surveilling anyone or being undercover or on a call. However, he did admit to pulling over cars with an unmarked vehicle, something that apparently is illegal in that jurisdiction. If that's true, he was breaking the law (unwittingly or otherwise), not "legitimately doing his job." In that case, it was entirely appropriate for this "yahoo" to call him on it. But again, not a battle I would consider worth fighting.



Yup, no question that's a better way to do it.

Actually not appropriate. The thing to do in that case is to alert the department.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

The thing to do in that case is to alert the department.

Well, we can agree on that at least. Like I said,

Yup, no question that's a better way to do it.