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The highlighted above isn't congruent with any known legal remedies. If there was or is such a remedy within current case law, please cite it and all of the arguments will end with your citation.
 
I'm only pro life because I want to move the deadline back a couple weeks. That gets me kicked out of pro choice. But I don't want to ever ban abortion, and I never want the deadline before the end of the first trimester.

That is pro choice. There are a wide range of pro choice views. Yours align with much of Europe in fact
 
Of course. Take all the time you need. I may not get to all this with you today however

Well, just to let you know, I'm a bit under the weather so I'm going to have to ease into the arguments.
 
The highlighted above isn't congruent with any known legal remedies. If there was or is such a remedy within current case law, please cite it and all of the arguments will end with your citation.

The legal remedy is abortion or adoption. That should be quite clear
 
That is pro choice. There are a wide range of pro choice views. Yours align with much of Europe in fact

If I propose European standards, I get kicked out of the pro choice club.
 
Well, just to let you know, I'm a bit under the weather so I'm going to have to ease into the arguments.

Again take your time. As long as we can do this politely there is no deadline. I hope you feel better
 
If I propose European standards, I get kicked out of the pro choice club.

Not by me. I may disagree with your deadline but the club is not run by the extremists
 
The legal remedy is abortion or adoption. That should be quite clear

Actually, that is a legal option, just like abortion is a legal option - neither of which can be forced into action by men or by law. If the consequence for an unwanted pregnancy gave men the choice to control either of those actions - that would be a legal remedy for men.
 
Not by me. I may disagree with your deadline but the club is not run by the extremists

I'm accepted by pro life people because I personally believe life begins at conception and, as an ecocentrist, I put inherent value on all life (person or otherwise). When I tell them I don't want to ban, just move back the deadline, they still accept me.

I've never been generally accepted by pro choice. Not in university, grad school or social events.

If that changes, perhaps I'll change my self identity from "pro life mild" to "pro choice limited".
 

No woman is ever forced to have an abortion. The man has no control over that decision. It is totally up to the woman. If she can afford to raise a child on her own and she wants to there is no problem. If she can't she has a choice to make. But it is a choice
 

Then you are in favor of killing that life at 12 weeks just not 24 weeks. Why?
 

Still not a legal remedy for men.
 
I'm only pro life (mild) because I want to move the deadline back a couple weeks. That gets me kicked out of pro choice. But I don't want to ever ban abortion, and I never want the deadline before the end of the first trimester.

You're still prochoice. I think most agree that abortion for any reason in the first trimester is absolutely necessary and must be a protected right, then it's get's a bit stickier as the pregnancy progresses because abortion becomes more of a health risk for the woman, and we all acknowledge the fact that as the fetus develops it gets closer and closer to being a fully formed human being.
 
Would you care to elaborate?

At some point a fetus becomes developed enough for personhood to be a consideration. Currently, that's after the second trimester. I think it should be sooner. While I respect all life, as an ecocentrist, only when the fetus starts to maybe be a person do I feel there should be protection.

I've been through the scientific debate, and I still want it sooner.
 
Yet it's the exact argument you keep making. Of course, you only apply it to men.

Still not reading properly. It's right there in what you quoted, in black and white.
 

All of that is addressed in Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey 1992, which altered the viability clause. As a woman, you should know that women are aware that they longer that they wait for an abortion the higher the risk for complications. And MOST women don't want the decision to be any harder, especially knowing that the fetus is viable.
 
Still avoiding my argument.

Completely answered...you didnt like the rebuttal. If your arguments arent applicable, that's not my fault.
 
Oh, crap! I just realized I screwed up my post. I mean "child support reform". Ugh. No wonder you're flummoxed. lol

Edit: I agree, flummoxed is a good word.

Sure I am. I have asked you many times for a solution that does not drop the burden of either available parent on the taxpayers. I havent seen one.

And I dont find any that to place their obligations on the taxpayers acceptable.
 

I'm personally against abortion. One of my philosophical cornerstones is founded in seeing inherent value in all life. I believe life begins at conception and abortion is morally questionable at best. I just don't want to ban it. I want to change the law in the direction of pro life.

Think pro choicers will go for that? They don't.
 

Absolutely, women want to abort as early as possible. And, in the majority of cases that's possible.
 
The entire reactionary "Meninist" movement would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
 
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