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No if she wants a child and he does not there is a legal remedy. She can have an abortion or give it up for adoption. She wants something she can not afford. She can always have a child with someone who wants one. She is being irresponsible and not doing what will be in the best interest of the child.
I'm only pro life because I want to move the deadline back a couple weeks. That gets me kicked out of pro choice. But I don't want to ever ban abortion, and I never want the deadline before the end of the first trimester.
Of course. Take all the time you need. I may not get to all this with you today however
The highlighted above isn't congruent with any known legal remedies. If there was or is such a remedy within current case law, please cite it and all of the arguments will end with your citation.
That is pro choice. There are a wide range of pro choice views. Yours align with much of Europe in fact
Well, just to let you know, I'm a bit under the weather so I'm going to have to ease into the arguments.
If I propose European standards, I get kicked out of the pro choice club.
The legal remedy is abortion or adoption. That should be quite clear
Not by me. I may disagree with your deadline but the club is not run by the extremists
Actually, that is a legal option, just like abortion is a legal option - neither of which can be forced into action by men or by law. If the consequence for an unwanted pregnancy gave men the choice to control either of those actions - that would be a legal remedy for men.
I'm accepted by pro life people because I personally believe life begins at conception and, as an ecocentrist, I put inherent value on all life (person or otherwise). When I tell them I don't want to ban, just move back the deadline, they still accept me.
I've never been generally accepted by pro choice. Not in university, grad school or social events.
If that changes, perhaps I'll change my self identity from "pro life mild" to "pro choice limited".
No woman is ever forced to have an abortion. The man has no control over that decision. It is totally up to the woman. If she can afford to raise a child on her own and she wants to there is no problem. If she can't she has a choice to make. But it is a choice
Then you are in favor of killing that life at 12 weeks just not 24 weeks. Why?
Still not a legal remedy for men.
Development.
I'm only pro life (mild) because I want to move the deadline back a couple weeks. That gets me kicked out of pro choice. But I don't want to ever ban abortion, and I never want the deadline before the end of the first trimester.
Not yet. There should be. That is the pro choice argument
Would you care to elaborate?
Yet it's the exact argument you keep making. Of course, you only apply it to men.
You're still prochoice. I think most agree that abortion for any reason in the first trimester is absolutely necessary and must be a protected right, then it's get's a bit stickier as the pregnancy progresses because abortion becomes more of a health risk for the woman, and we all acknowledge the fact that as the fetus develops it gets closer and closer to being a fully formed human being.
Still avoiding my argument.
Oh, crap! I just realized I screwed up my post. I mean "child support reform". Ugh. No wonder you're flummoxed. lol
Edit: I agree, flummoxed is a good word.
You're still prochoice. I think most agree that abortion for any reason in the first trimester is absolutely necessary and must be a protected right, then it's get's a bit stickier as the pregnancy progresses because abortion becomes more of a health risk for the woman, and we all acknowledge the fact that as the fetus develops it gets closer and closer to being a fully formed human being.
All of that is addressed in Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey 1992, which altered the viability clause. As a woman, you should know that women are aware that they longer that they wait for an abortion the higher the risk for complications. And MOST women don't want the decision to be any harder, especially knowing that the fetus is viable.
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