Actually the feds are still looking into it and there is the ongoing litigation regarding the re-hiring of the officers (the CoP says no, the officers are suing to regain their positions). So all the outcries may not be for naught.There is no justification for beating a man to death by cops, none. The problem with the protest is that the trial is over. There is no double jeopardy for the beaters. The best they can hope to accomplish is perhaps to prevent another beating. You read about incidents like this, incidents like the one described here, and that we have more prisoners per capita than any other nation on Earth, and can easily come to the conclusion that we have a police state right here in the beacon of liberty.
I've marked it on my calendar, though I admit to rarely participating as I am indigent and should I get rounded up by the cops would be in jail a while before I could make bail, etc, so I try usually to stay away from trouble areas. For this I may reconsider.Justice For Kelly Thomas - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest
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"A homeless and mentally-ill man that has been described as a "gentle soul" - Kelly Thomas, 37 - was unable to put up any resistance and was lying on the ground on his front when a vicious attack took place on July 5, by six Fullerton police officer's.
His screams and the cries for his father, "Dad!", "Dad!", "Dad!"... can be heard amid the tasering noises that a witness caught on tape. Witnesses allegedly also heard the officer's keep repeating to him to "Stop resisting!", but they have said that not only was he NOT resisting, for much of the beating he was unconscious.
He was (allegedly) unconscious when an officer bashed in his skull with the butt of his taser gun, and he was (allegedly) unconscious when another officer jump kicked him a number of times and crushed in his throat and nasal cavity.
Please stand with us in solidarity to support the Thomas Family in bringing justice for Kelly against the Fullerton, CA Police Dept. Force like this should NEVER be used...
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You can all fall for the bs if you choose.described as a "gentle soul"
You can all fall for the bs if you choose.
Such a gentile soul who ...
"Between 1990 and 2011, Thomas had 92 encounters with the police. These encounters ranged from minor infractions such as trespassing to assault with a deadly weapon."
Death of Kelly Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What a gentile soul indeed! :doh
:lamo
The Officers were rightfully cleared of any criminality.
Do you have information that he wasn't being helped?It sounds to me as if he was a mentally ill person who should have been in an institution that might have helped him.
If you want to let the photo sway your emotions go ahead. I wont.But, looking at the "after" photo, there can be no justification for the use of such force, none. If he had a deadly weapon, and was threatening the cops with it, then a shooting might have been justified. If he didn't, then there is no conceivable reason for beating him to death.
Do you have information that he wasn't being helped?
If you want to let the photo sway your emotions go ahead. I wont.
The injuries to his face are supposedly the results of two blows.
So it is nothing but the blood and swelling making it look far worse.
Which is not being beaten to death.
His chest was crushed by the weight of the needed Officers to subdue him. That is inadvertent, but not criminal.
He died from asphyxiation caused by his chest being crushed.
The examiner testified to such during the prelim.
Which agreed with the paramedics who testified at trial that he had no blood or obstruction of his airway.
But before the trial, she met with the prosecutor and changed her story to include his other facial injuries contributing to his death. Yet as we already know the paramedics clearly stated his airway was unobstructed.
You can read what was presented to the jury by the defense here.
Kelly Thomas Trial Update: Defense tells jury to analyze case 'without the emotion' | 89.3 KPCC
His desperate cries for his daddy and God which slowly waned off into a low mourning and then stopped as he slipped into unconsciousness really got me. He was like a child crying out for his daddy to help him while repeatedly apologizing for the wrong he did not commit. There were many spectators. At one point he was calling out for "Coroner" or something. But, unfortunately there was no one to step forward to help him. It's hard to blame them when the ones doing the brutal beatings were cops.Justice For Kelly Thomas - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest
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"A homeless and mentally-ill man that has been described as a "gentle soul" - Kelly Thomas, 37 - was unable to put up any resistance and was lying on the ground on his front when a vicious attack took place on July 5, by six Fullerton police officer's.
His screams and the cries for his father, "Dad!", "Dad!", "Dad!"... can be heard amid the tasering noises that a witness caught on tape. Witnesses allegedly also heard the officer's keep repeating to him to "Stop resisting!", but they have said that not only was he NOT resisting, for much of the beating he was unconscious.
He was (allegedly) unconscious when an officer bashed in his skull with the butt of his taser gun, and he was (allegedly) unconscious when another officer jump kicked him a number of times and crushed in his throat and nasal cavity.
Please stand with us in solidarity to support the Thomas Family in bringing justice for Kelly against the Fullerton, CA Police Dept. Force like this should NEVER be used...
5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest - Read More
Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest
That would be an assumption.If he was being helped, the help wasn't very effective.
Yes we should do that. That also means canning the exaggerations like beaten to a pulp.Let's look at the case without emotion, then, without looking at the face of a man beaten to a pulp.
:dohDid he present a threat to the police, one worthy of the use of deadly force?
I have seen reports of four times.How many times did they actually tase him?
Matters not.Just how dispassionately did the cops act while doing their duty and attempting to arrest this one lone individual?
That would be an assumption.
As folks who live on the street do receive help, but still remain on the streets.
Yes we should do that. That also means canning the exaggerations like beaten to a pulp.
:doh
They didn't use deadly force.
Just because a person died, does not mean deadly force was used.
And what happened has already been stated.
Their weight crushed his chest inadvertently.
I have seen reports of four times.
Yet doesn't matter, as it was ineffective against his resistance.
Matters not.
Force is met with force. Force is elevated until the individual is subdued.
They do not have to be dispassionate in attempting to subdue a resisting person and a person who is a danger to them by his resistance.
And he grabbed the taser. Which is why he got hit in the face with it.
You are being absurd.He died for having committed vandalism, not for threatening anyone. Sounds like deadly force to me, whether it was intended to be or not.
The victim died. He died for having committed vandalism, not for threatening anyone. Sounds like deadly force to me, whether it was intended to be or not.
It sounds to me as if he was a mentally ill person who should have been in an institution that might have helped him.
But, looking at the "after" photo, there can be no justification for the use of such force, none. If he had a deadly weapon, and was threatening the cops with it, then a shooting might have been justified. If he didn't, then there is no conceivable reason for beating him to death.
Exactly. The police were responding to a call, and upon further inspection, they found property in his pack that did not belong to him. They suspected a 496.He didn't commit vandalism, or any other crime. A bouncer at a nearby bar confessed that at his boss's insistence, he had called 911 and made up the story so police would get the mentally ill homeless man away from the club entrance, where patrons couldn't see him.
His chest was crushed by the weight of the needed Officers to subdue him. That is inadvertent, but not criminal.
No they were not.At the least these cops committed voluntary manslaughter.
That is not called justice but vengeance. Which is illegal.If this boys dad had any sense of justice, he would be seeing these cops one at a time at some future date to discuss matters..
Right! :dohHopefully, the public will make the lives of these killers as miserable as possible in the mean time.
No they were not.
Their actions were legal.
That is not called justice but vengeance. Which is illegal.
Right! :doh
Folks should suffer for acting legally? That is just nuts to suggest such.
And in this case there actions to subdue the resisting individual was just. You might want to try and familiarize yourself with the evidence instead of of be emotive.Legal doesn't always mean just or right. Sometimes, adjustments need to be made to balance the scales.
And what are they then to do when confronted with violent and resisting suspects? Call on a different Police force? :dohThe Militarization of local Police forces Nationwide is a major problem. Many of these cops just can't wait to use deadly force. Send them all to shrinks and cull out the trigger happy cowards that can't communicate with the public type that they have allegedly been trained to communicate with. This is another system that is broken. Take away their guns and tasers. There job is similar to babysitting the public, not attacking the public. Their's is not a military role and shouldn't be misconstrued as such.
And in this case there actions to subdue the resisting individual was just. You might want to try and familiarize yourself with the evidence instead of of be emotive.
No adjustment need to be made. Your thoughts are apparently dark and sickly twisted to think that vengeance is even called for.
I was speaking about your thoughts of vengeance, which is.The establishment of justice is certainly not dark or twisted.
Wrong. Their actions were legal and within the training they received.It is the actions of these cops that is dark and twisted.
And again a faulty interpretation of what occurred.One main difference between what we believe is that you seem to believe that no matter what a judge says it without question the correct and just decision. I don't think this is the case. The action the cop took in the video to instigate this situation shows that he was intent on having a confrontation with this young man. Whether or not he intended his death is irreverent; he knowingly caused this situation to happen and should be held to account for his actions.
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