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'Lockdown' states like California did better economically than 'looser' states like Florida

Phys251

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In yet another blow to the anti-maskers:

'Lockdown' states like California did better economically than 'looser' states like Florida, new COVID data shows

Not only did big states with more stringent COVID measures end 2020 with fewer infections per capita, they also tended to post better economic growth numbers last year than states with fewer restrictions.
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What was repeatedly explained to the anti-maskers is that the single best way to get our economy back on track was to get control of the coronavirus. People will come out when they feel safe doing so, not when the anti-maskers say so. It's like paying down a credit card: You have to spend more on payments at first, but in the long run, cutting into principal saves you money. Anti-maskers choose not to do that and are more than happy to, metaphorically speaking, spend, spend, spend.

(Deflections of any kind, particularly to the debt or deficit, will be summarily dismissed.)
 
Phys251 said:
What was repeatedly explained to the anti-maskers is that the single best way to get our economy back on track was to get control of the coronavirus. People will come out when they feel safe doing so, not when the anti-maskers say so.
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It's a fundamental reality that right-wing dip shits just can't seem to grasp. They talk about the evil government as if it's an individual with their own ego sitting in a room somewhere counting your tax dollars, but this isn't a monarchy or a dictatorship. It's a democracy.
The Government IS THE PEOPLE. The majority of Americans wanted to take this thing seriously because we knew it was dangerous. The majority of Americans wanted things shut down to prevent the virus's spread. The majority was not going to be stupid enough to make bad choices that flew in the face of medical professionals so they would have been better off shutting things down to eliminate the virus faster.
 
I have a theory related to your credit card analogy. I see a lot of Trump supporters driving around in fancy(not alway's fancy) pick up trucks. I bet 90% are in debt up to their eyeballs. I bet the same amount have no savings for retirement. It makes sense these same people didn't want to wear masks and observe the safety protocols. They don't see the big picture. They just see what is in front of them and do what feels good in the moment.

There's nothing wrong with living in the moment as long as you anticipate and plan for the consequences. Well, the consequences where that many people died and many people lost their livelihoods from the pandemic. If these selfish morons would have just thought things through we would all be in much better shape today. Unfortunately, these sheep can't think for themselves. Whatever Tucker or Trump say's is what they believe.
 
"...'looser' states like Florida." Thought that was intended to be a pun on words or mispelling, but it was literal.
 
I haven't seen any evidence of a correlation between ideology and indebtedness.

I haven't seen any evidence of a correlation between ideology and longer-term planning.

Ideology clearly plays a role in opposition to NPI and vaccinations, but isn't the full story. Younger people in general tend to take more risks, and are more acutely aware of peer relationships. Many people were angry about masks and store closings, not doing it for the lulz.

Anyway. I'm a bit surprised by the results, as I'd assume that keeping things more open would result in more growth; and it's certainly plausible that the increased shift to online commerce benefitted CA.

That said, I'd rely on more than one study or one report before conclusively accepting this claim.
 
Moody's disagrees with your assertion.

Economies in these states are actually stronger than they were before Covid | CNN Business

America is not yet back to its pre-pandemic normal, but some states are already doing better economically than they were before Covid, according to the Back-to-Normal Index created by CNN and Moody's Analytics.
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Phys251 said:
Nope, it doesn't. They gave examples. The OP gave the general trend.
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The OP picked an arbitrary, narrow sample of states, and chose one single metric, and then discarded data sets even from their very narrow group that didn't fit their preconceived trend (New York).

Looking at more metrics and more states as Moody's did gave a clearer picture of the trends. And that's why they disagree with the tortured findings of the op.
 

You might be interested in this table which I have constructed using data extracted from "The Geographic Distribution of Wealth in the United States" (from the US Census Bureau).


(More charts and graphs at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19)​

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Unfortunately that paper is somewhat dated (about 8 years old to be exactish), but I can see no reason why the PATTERN would have changed.

If you divide the states into two groups only (dividing them at Michigan) then the average net wealth for the DC-Michigan group is 109.82% of the national average and the average net wealth for the New Hampshire-Louisiana group is 92.55% of the national average.

HOWEVER, A CAVEAT - The fact that there is a correlation between net wealth and political leaning does NOT mean that "Political Leaning CAUSES Level of Net Wealth", and it could just as well mean that "Net Wealth CAUSES Political Leaning" OR there could be no DIRECT CAUSATIVE relationship between them.
 
By the way, California didn't just "do better" than other states, California is now approaching New Zealand status because we have THE LOWEST COVID numbers in the nation.

KTLA Channel 5
California has one of the highest rates of vaccinations in the nation, with 56% of residents of all ages — and 71% of adults — having received at least one dose of vaccine. Thirteen states now have at least 70% of their adults at least partially vaccinated, achieving a goal set by President Biden weeks before a July Fourth target.
 
Roadvirus said:
And yet Commiefornia is still #1 in COVID deaths in America.
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If you're measuring by total deaths, then that's the incorrect way to assess this metric since you're not factoring in population. Deaths per capita is the most accurate way to do this, and by that metric, California is 33rd on the list.
 
If you are measuring deaths per capita but ignoring which states have more people in the high risk category you are biased, naïve, or both.

For FL 20.5% of the population is age 65y or older. Only ME has more older people with 20.6% age 65y or older. By contrast, only 14.3% of CA's population are over 65y. I believe only 6-7 states have a lower % of senior citizens. That means FL has 44% more people in the highest risk of death with CoVID-19 than CA. So we'd expect FL to have far more deaths per capita than CA simply because FL has far more older and high risk people per capita relative to
CA.
 
ElChupacabra said:
If you're measuring by total deaths, then that's the incorrect way to assess this metric since you're not factoring in population. Deaths per capita is the most accurate way to do this, and by that metric, California is 33rd on the list.
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The Worldometer table lists from "Worst" to "Best", ranking the states from "Best" to "Worst" you have the following (and you will notice that California is INSIDE the "±5% of National Average" window.


(More charts and graphs at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19)​
 

Now that's an interesting observation.

Do you have a table (or even a source) that shows ALL the states (ranked by "at risk population") and cross referenced to their "Deaths per Million" rate? BTW, I would expect that the ranking of "at risk population" MUST include more risk factors than simply age, so I do hope your source shows how it determined what the "at risk population" was.

PS - I shan't hold my breath awaiting the production of that table/source.
 
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