Lies, deceptions and completely made up stories.

[bongsaway]

Is any behavior from the leadership of the GOP ok as long as it pisses off the democrats?

I'm really beginning to think the whole agenda of the GOP leadership is to protect trump, refuse to see facts, tell outright lies to support their positions like the four embassies about to be attacked and the caravans of bad hombres and anything else to make themselves look good while making the democrats look like the party of evil.

This whole administration is one huge example of Occam's razor.

 

[Felis Leo]

Is any behavior from the leadership of the GOP ok as long as it pisses off the democrats?

I'm really beginning to think the whole agenda of the GOP leadership is to protect trump, refuse to see facts, tell outright lies to support their positions like the four embassies about to be attacked and the caravans of bad hombres and anything else to make themselves look good while making the democrats look like the party of evil.

This whole administration is one huge example of Occam's razor.

To say that Donald Trump's dishonest behavior is a disappointment would be a bit of an understatement, because his dishonesty, combined with those in the GOP who will jump on a hand grenade for him may very well be making conservatism toxic for a generation. But one can defend the underlying actions themselves while condemning the lies he used to justify them.

Let me draw a hypothetical for you, bongsaway. I do not know your particular policy desires as a self-described progressive, but let us say for the sake of argument Elizabeth Warren wins the presidency, and let us say she pursues a progressive agenda. Your dream agenda. Picture it in your head for a moment, the top three most important things to you, whether healthcare legislation, education legislation, progressive judicial appointments, gun control legislation, etc. Imagine that she pursues them and manages to get them passed into law and implemented.

But imagine then, for the sake of argument, that all while doing this she begins making up lies and hyperboles while onstage, and to the face of the American people, and in pursuit of her goals. And I do not mean little fibs or half-truths or statements that are open to interpretation. I mean naked, bald-faced lies that no intellectually honest person can defend. Lies that make you so embarrassed, you want to just crawl out of your skin. Trumpian lies. Lies that are such that when you are confronted by fellow citizens, not necessarily Trump supporters who you can dismiss or call out for hypocrisy, but every day neutral Americans, you cannot muster the mental or emotional strength or fortitude to defend.

What would you have done for the hypothetical lying politician who passed your dream agenda that you believe benefitted most Americans? Would you want her censured by her fellow Democrats in Congress, or perhaps even impeached? Because no matter how good someone's policies are, the American people already had to deal with one undignified liar in the Oval Office, we should not have to deal with a second one? Or should she remain on the basis of her good works, irrespective of her dishonesty?

 

[3leftsdoo]

Lies, deceptions and completely made up stories.

But enough about the behavior of the Democult...

:thumbs:

 

[bongsaway]

To say that Donald Trump's dishonest behavior is a disappointment would be a bit of an understatement, because his dishonesty, combined with those in the GOP who will jump on a hand grenade for him may very well be making conservatism toxic for a generation. But one can defend the underlying actions themselves while condemning the lies he used to justify them.

Let me draw a hypothetical for you, bongsaway. I do not know your particular policy desires as a self-described progressive, but let us say for the sake of argument Elizabeth Warren wins the presidency, and let us say she pursues a progressive agenda. Your dream agenda. Picture it in your head for a moment, the top three most important things to you, whether healthcare legislation, education legislation, progressive judicial appointments, gun control legislation, etc. Imagine that she pursues them and manages to get them passed into law and implemented.

But imagine then, for the sake of argument, that all while doing this she begins making up lies and hyperboles while onstage, and to the face of the American people, and in pursuit of her goals. And I do not mean little fibs or half-truths or statements that are open to interpretation. I mean naked, bald-faced lies that no intellectually honest person can defend. Lies that make you so embarrassed, you want to just crawl out of your skin. Trumpian lies. Lies that are such that when you are confronted by fellow citizens, not necessarily Trump supporters who you can dismiss or call out for hypocrisy, but every day neutral Americans, you cannot muster the mental or emotional strength or fortitude to defend.

What would you have done for the hypothetical lying politician who passed your dream agenda that you believe benefitted most Americans? Would you want her censured by her fellow Democrats in Congress, or perhaps even impeached? Because no matter how good someone's policies are, the American people already had to deal with one undignified liar in the Oval Office, we should not have to deal with a second one? Or should she remain on the basis of her good works, irrespective of her dishonesty?

I am of the opinion ANY person who lies donald trump style does not deserve to represent the american people, no matter the party or the political accomplishments.

Sure I would love a progressive agenda but not at the cost of lying.

Politics in my opinion should be on a higher level of morality than the average morality of day to day life. Trump has made me feel like all of america at this point is a lie. I'm ashamed of how other world leaders views america with donald trump in charge. I'm ashamed of how far the gop has fallen into the gutter with trump. I do not condone everything the democrats do. Like the hunter biden thing. He got the job because of his father, period. Was it illegal? No. Was it that kind of underhanded thing I can't stand? Yes. Same with the trump kids. Who are they other than kids lucky enough to be born with a rich daddy?

Our whole country has become nothing more than the masses chasing the dollar because most people just don't make enough money to live a relatively decent life while folks like the biden and trump kids have everything handed to them and it goes on and on. People living off capital gains paying less taxes than the average working person because they are wealthy.

America is run by the corporations and the top ten percent and we the voters keep it that way.

Let me ask you this fels. Why do we keep reelecting the congresspeople we do when most americans give congress a less than twenty percent approval?

Who's stupid? Them or us?