Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Misterveritis · Sep 16, 2012

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You said, "the moderate Christians should join together to stop the radicals here in America. For example some Christian radicals in America produced a anti-islam film obviously to get their radical counterparts in Islam to go bat **** crazy."

I belived (rightly?) that you are intent on silencing messages you do not approve of.

FreedomFromAll said:
I never said anything about censoring anything. Please stop the strawman attack right there.

LOL. What did you mean then?

What I implied though is that religious radicals purposely provoke other religious radicals. Its just the other religious radicals turn out to be the enemy that we are engaged in a war with. The premeditated activity orchestrated by American religious radicals gave prime opportunity to the enemy. The key word in my claim was the word almost. Since Al Queda seems to have capitalized on the film it was almost aiding and abetting the enemy. Which means in all appearance they gave a way for Al queda to do something to us. I did not claim that anyone did anything illegal.

In other words, "Nothing." Understood.

Misterveritis · Sep 16, 2012

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Kane said:
In the age of Big Brother nothing is as it seems. And Big Brother has all his bases covered.

There is no other explanation for the betrayal against human rights and international law displayed by "liberal" talk hosts and news sites, who provide cover for Obama and the Democrats.

AntiwarsRaimondo is a govmnt front, supported the surge in Falluja, Iraq like Al Franken nd Juan Cole. We all know the US napalmed and committed war crimes there sealing the people off from aid, food and electricity. A civillian target some "liberals" said was ok to decimate. Much in the same way, Ed Schultz, a "liberal" (read: Democrat Party/ establishment hack) says he supports Obama scorched earth in Libya, (Quaddafi a terrorist, lather, rinse, repeat) Democracy Now parrots govmnt line on Syria, to hell with international law, scumbag Tom Hartman says vote for Obama (and the bloodbath) Amnesty is now a govmnt mouthpiece for corporate/military rape and pillage, kill the Assad Family even though assasinating a foreign head of state is a war crime. So now at info clearing house we true libs get disinfo just like CNN, Fox and NBC give the Left (and the truth) a knife in the back.

No more ****ty articles from Hitchens and Alex Cockburn, though - thank god. Be more discerning, we hate phony Left like AntiWar, just like we hate HuffPo sellouts, and TPM, Democrat astroturf sites, who sell us Bushs murder and imperialism via stealth, hidden behind a black face.

Kane, it seems you have something valuable to say. This did not do it. Try to separate out your rage against corporations from the legitimate concerns you have. I could not understand your rant. Please turn it into something reasonable people can read and understand.

Misterveritis · Sep 16, 2012

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Klown said:
And you would be speaking German if it wasnt for the Russians who defeated the main fascist Nazi threat in Europe

The great patriotic war has been a favorite area of study for me. Had it not been for the Russian presence the West would not have won.

In fact, days before the US carried out its terrorist nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan had already surrended to the Soviet Union

August Storm rushed Soviet troops toward Japan. Of course the State Department was compromised. and the Soviet Union know of our plans to destroy Hiroshima and another city (Nagasaki) with atomic fires. J. Stalin knew. He wanted portions of Japan.

This was good enough for the imperialist US juggernaught, the Japan had to surrender to the US unconditionally.

And to experiment with nuclear weapons the cowardly US military dropped nukes on civilian targets.

How Christian of you

How moral of you

How nice of you

Let us hear from some Americans who were involved in the Nuking of civilians:

ADMIRAL WILLIAM D. LEAHY
(Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman)

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

- William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.

DWIGHT EISENHOWER
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

There were many opinions. In your opinion should we have foregone the use of small nuclear weapons and invaded instead? On a wonderful book called Marching Orders by Bruce Lee it is clear that based on top secret MAGIC summaries that the Japanese leaders knew that they must surrender of face horrible consequences.
Here is what the book says:

1. The Japanese issued orders to kill all allied prisoners of war once the invasion began
2. The Japanese military had been given permission to seek out the USSR to establish a peace treaty.

53 million people were killed during world war II.

So what would you suggest?

Bodi · Sep 16, 2012

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Klown said:
And you would be speaking German if it wasnt for the Russians who defeated the main fascist Nazi threat in Europe

Not even close. Sure, the Russians did their part but it was America that brought the Germans to their knees

In fact, days before the US carried out its terrorist nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan had already surrended to the Soviet Union

This was good enough for the imperialist US juggernaught, the Japan had to surrender to the US unconditionally.

And the Soviets declined... so we bombed the Japanese.

And to experiment with nuclear weapons the cowardly US military dropped nukes on civilian targets.

Those "cowards" just tore apart one of the most savage and intense armies in the world :lol:

How Christian of you

I am not a Christian

How moral of you

I think the bombings were moral

How nice of you

I am one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet, in reality

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COLOR="#0000CD"]Let us hear from some Americans who were involved in the Nuking of civilians:[/COLOR]

ADMIRAL WILLIAM D. LEAHY
(Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman)

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

- William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.

DWIGHT EISENHOWER
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

I don't give a rat's ass what their opinion's are...

Klown · Sep 16, 2012

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Misterveritis said:
53 million people were killed during world war II.

So wwhat would you suggest?

...and about half of them were Russian.

The total human death toll for ALL of the wars that the USA has been engaged in (including the civil war) is about 1.2 million American deaths.

Are you aware of what Harry Trumann said after the terrorist nuclear attacks and US war crimes perpetrated on teh civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Look it up - it was Trumann's decision to drop the nukes!

Bodi · Sep 16, 2012

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Klown said:
Interesting, in Lybia if people threated US or western interests they are labeled terrorists

when the same people were doing the same things against Gadafi, or in Iraq or cirrently in Syria, they receive funding and arms from the US and are called freedom fighters or part of a democratic movement

Do you have a problem taking sides?

Klown · Sep 16, 2012

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Bodhisattva said:
I don't give a rat's ass what their opinion's are...

They are YOUR rats and the opinions of YOUR leaders at the time!

Klown · Sep 16, 2012

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Bodhisattva said:
Do you have a problem taking sides?

Not really! I base my allegiance on basic principles and morals that I try to adhere to NOT tribalism and jingoistic nationalism

I will leave that fickle pass time to others

cheers

Misterveritis · Sep 16, 2012

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Klown said:
...and about half of them were Russian.
The total human death toll for ALL of the wars that the USA has been engaged in (including the civil war) is about 1.2 million American deaths.
Are you aware of what Harry Trumann said after the terrorist nuclear attacks and US war crimes perpetrated on teh civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Look it up - it was Trumann's decision to drop the nukes!

You are such a Klown!
Did you think I would not know that liberal H. Truman decided rightly to destroy Hiroshima and then Nagasaki? Why do you continue to troll here?

Bodi · Sep 16, 2012

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Klown said:
...and about half of them were Russian.

The total human death toll for ALL of the wars that the USA has been engaged in (including the civil war) is about 1.2 million American deaths.

Are you aware of what Harry Trumann said after the terrorist nuclear attacks and US war crimes perpetrated on teh civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Look it up - it was Trumann's decision to drop the nukes!

Who cares what Truman's opinion was? Hey, this is a thread about Libya, by the way...

Bodi · Sep 16, 2012

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Klown said:
They are YOUR rats and the opinions of YOUR leaders at the time!

Ooohh... don't CAPS LOCK me now! :lol:

Those guys have nothing to do with me... I wasn't even alive as I am only 40.

Not really! I base my allegiance on basic principles and morals that I try to adhere to NOT tribalism and jingoistic nationalism

I will leave that fickle pass time to others

cheers

Yeah, my ex-wifes new boyfriend does that lame ass ****. He insults me like a dick and then ends it with a "cheers". What the ****? I find that so dumb that it simply amazes me. :lol:

Bodi · Sep 16, 2012

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mac said:
You misunderstand. The intent was to destroy the ability to make war, not to decimate the civilian population. Had we had the weaponry we have now, we wouldn't have needed to take such drastic actions.

Incorrect. The intent was to destroy the industrial capability of the enemy.

Well, we did target cities in order to demoralize the civilians... by killing them. We did not intend to wipe them out though. I think that with todays weapons we would not have done that. And I also agree with you that if another Nazi regime started trouble like they did we would find the fortitude and will to fight against it WWII style.

Dittohead not! · Sep 16, 2012

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j-mac said:
See, this is why academics are so frustrating to deal with...You don't know what I was saying, really? If that is truly the case ditto, then we are done here, because I feel you'll have trouble keeping up, and I don't want to have to waste time educating you.

You posted:

Oh, it's coming...The question is, would you rather fight it on our terms, on their land, or on their terms, on our land?

Just what is this "it" that is coming?

war between Christianity and Islam?
war between Islam and the USA?
war between Islam and the free people of the west?
what?

Dittohead not! · Sep 17, 2012

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j-mac said:
Can you link me to the posts by you condemning the attacks on the Coptic Christian attacks of recent? I don't recall you jumping in so vocally about that...

Condemning the attacks on Coptic Christians attacks?

Who attacked attacks? You're not making a lot of sense here.

nor do I see what that has to do with destroying Muslim holy places.

Lethargic Aptitude · Sep 17, 2012

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Misterveritis said:
You said, "the moderate Christians should join together to stop the radicals here in America. For example some Christian radicals in America produced a anti-islam film obviously to get their radical counterparts in Islam to go bat **** crazy."

I belived (rightly?) that you are intent on silencing messages you do not approve of.

Dude this is a debate I do not try to silence anything. Quit trying to make my claims for me.

LOL. What did you mean then?

You were too busy arguing your own points to listen to what I actually said, I have no faith that you would listen to me this time either.

In other words, "Nothing." Understood.

Yes nothing like your strawman argument came from me. Perhaps you are getting confused between other posters and myself? And seeing how that you ignored other parts of my post Im guessing that you have selective attention of details.

j-mac · Sep 17, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
You posted:

Just what is this "it" that is coming?

war between Christianity and Islam?
war between Islam and the USA?
war between Islam and the free people of the west?
what?

More games? No thanks...This is a big boy discussion Ditto...Get with the program please.

Condemning the attacks on Coptic Christians attacks?

Who attacked attacks? You're not making a lot of sense here.

nor do I see what that has to do with destroying Muslim holy places.

See, you think you're being clever, when in reality it is really, really childish Ditto....

Egypt's caretaker government has held crisis talks after attacks by Muslim mobs on Coptic Christian churches in Cairo left at least 12 people dead and drove the country's growing religious tensions to the brink.

Egypt in crisis talks after Muslim mobs attack Christian churches - Telegraph

Once again the feckless response from libs over responding in kind emboldens our enemies....Ditto thinks that attacking these Christians is fine with him, instead choosing to play games with my sentence structure. How sad is that?

Grant · Sep 17, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
You posted:

Just what is this "it" that is coming?

war between Christianity and Islam?
war between Islam and the USA?
war between Islam and the free people of the west?
what?

This is just one article outlining the murders of Christians by Muslims throughout the world (there are many more) while the Obama Administration dithers and apologizes for a movie trailer covered by the First Amendment.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali:The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

Dittohead not! · Sep 17, 2012

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Grant said:
This is just one article outlining the murders of Christians by Muslims throughout the world (there are many more) while the Obama Administration dithers and apologizes for a movie trailer covered by the First Amendment.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali:The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

So, the "it" you think is coming is a war between Christians and Muslims?

In such a war, which side would a secular nation with separation of church and state built into the Constitution be on? Perhaps we can just sit this one out.

Dittohead not! · Sep 17, 2012

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j-mac said:
More games? No thanks...This is a big boy discussion Ditto...Get with the program please.

See, you think you're being clever, when in reality it is really, really childish Ditto....

Once again the feckless response from libs over responding in kind emboldens our enemies....Ditto thinks that attacking these Christians is fine with him, instead choosing to play games with my sentence structure. How sad is that?

I see you have no words to explain your position, so you've resorted to ad hominim attacks. Well, carry on, then, and have fun with your little fantasy.

cpwill · Sep 17, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
You posted:

Just what is this "it" that is coming?

war between Christianity and Islam?
war between Islam and the USA?
war between Islam and the free people of the west?
what?

Let us hope not, but it remains plausible.

Dittohead not! · Sep 17, 2012

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cpwill said:
Let us hope not, but it remains plausible.

When people start talking of destroying Muslim holy sites, then yes, it does look plausible.

cpwill · Sep 17, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
When people start talking of destroying Muslim holy sites, then yes, it does look plausible.

well that's a tit for tat. but yup.

mac · Sep 17, 2012

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Misterveritis said:
So how many people did Christians kill using terror tactics last week?

How many have they killed bombing abortion clinics, and committing hate crimes against "sinners"? How many did Christians kill on OK City?

mac · Sep 17, 2012

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Misterveritis said:
LOL. Okay then. We fought a total war because Germans and Japanese were bad meanies.

And we have fought limited wars ever since. Why do you think that is?

Because Germany and Japan were fighting total wars.

:shrug:

Kane · Sep 17, 2012

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Kane said:
In the age of Big Brother nothing is as it seems. And Big Brother has all his bases covered.

There is no other explanation for the betrayal against human rights and international law displayed by "liberal" talk hosts and news sites, who provide cover for Obama and the Democrats.

AntiwarsRaimondo is a govmnt front, supported the surge in Falluja, Iraq like Al Franken nd Juan Cole. We all know the US napalmed and committed war crimes there sealing the people off from aid, food and electricity. A civillian target some "liberals" said was ok to decimate. Much in the same way, Ed Schultz, a "liberal" (read: Democrat Party/ establishment hack) says he supports Obama scorched earth in Libya, (Quaddafi a terrorist, lather, rinse, repeat) Democracy Now parrots govmnt line on Syria, to hell with international law, scumbag Tom Hartman says vote for Obama (and the bloodbath) Amnesty is now a govmnt mouthpiece for corporate/military rape and pillage, kill the Assad Family even though assasinating a foreign head of state is a war crime. So now at info clearing house we true libs get disinfo just like CNN, Fox and NBC give the Left (and the truth) a knife in the back.

No more ****ty articles from Hitchens and Alex Cockburn, though - thank god. Be more discerning, we hate phony Left like AntiWar, just like we hate HuffPo sellouts, and TPM, Democrat astroturf sites, who sell us Bushs murder and imperialism via stealth, hidden behind a black face.

sharon said:
50 Libyan terrorists were arrested yesterday.. Libya will hang them

FBI were deployed to Libya on Saturday.

FBI deployed in Libya to hunt down the murderers of Ambassador Stevens - Wichita Military Affairs | Examiner.com

Marines have been deployed to protect the Embassy in Sana'a , Yemen.

If all the yuppie Liberal talk hosts weren't falling all over themselves to protect and provide cover for Obamas horrid foreign policy decisions, they made have noticed that in Libya, like Iraq there were no terrorists there until America arrived.

But like their Republican counterparts in the corp. media, the liberal talk hosts have a real problem grappling with accuracy when it comes to just reporting the news.

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