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They would've been the first target. I believe you would have seen even more deaths if there were boots on the ground, the fundamentalists would've targeted them, as well.
It does seem odd, doesn't it? We shouldn't have relations until a country has stabilized itself.
Anyhow, I wonder why our government wouldn't evacuate all the Americans? That would make sense to me, if they were aware there could probably be an attack. Better safe than sorry, right?
See? Now there's something I didn't think of, but then what do we care? Let them be China's problem and let them hate China. I've heard that we get most of our oil from South America anyway.
I think it's funny how some people think that if we "backed off" then suddenly everyone will just roll over and play nice. I don't believe that for one minute. And he's a Brit, and the British and the French both played HUGE roles in the formation of Israel in the Middle East. I never hear them complain about that though. Just America. :roll:
Because we are considered the center of commerce (capitalism), and thus the ones weilding the power (via money), and due to our propensity for decadence in lifestyle among many of our citizens , which is undoubtedly the case, we are considered the "Great Satan" by the fundies of the religion, and this is why we are the primary target. It's not really about concrete realities, but about opposing ideologies, and we are viewed (by many in the world, and deservedly so) as greedy, wasteful, and ungodly.
20 Al Qaeda goons against 50 Marines ?
Nope.
I was more referring to people like Klown and others on the forums who seem to always want to blame America, when other countries also play roles, now and in the past.
Because we are considered the center of commerce (capitalism), and thus the ones weilding the power (via money), and due to our propensity for decadence in lifestyle among many of our citizens , which is undoubtedly the case, we are considered the "Great Satan" by the fundies of the religion, and this is why we are the primary target. It's not really about concrete realities, but about opposing ideologies, and we are viewed (by many in the world, and deservedly so) as greedy, wasteful, and ungodly.
Yes, we should pull all of our people out of those hostile countries, and cut off any kind of United States funding.
I've traveled a fair bit around the world and find Americans to be neither greedy (they give more to charity than any other country) wasteful (their sense of the environment ranks as high as most other countries) or ungodly (most Americans believe in God).
Many of those outside America believe what they see in the American produced movies, most of which paint the country in a negative light.
Well the USA has always given aid to dictatorships that oppress their people - some of the hatred originates from that action alone.
But the main reason is US foreign policy of bombimg civilian areas and causing deaths. This has happened in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, South America and other areas
In the 1950s the US state department conducted a survey of the people of the middle east region and discovered that the reason the people where so antagonistic towards the USA was due to the direct US support of dictactors in the region that were oppressing them and killing them. They also say a corporate inteventionsim that funneled most of the energy wealth out of the nation and into the pockets if US corporations and foreign banks.
So the USA has known for many decades WHY there is so much hatred towards the USA in various regions of the world - and the reasons are pretty much identical and shouldnt surprise anyone.
The USA for example supported the dictator Mubarak right up until the last few days before him stepping down due to public unrest. So the USA was giving billions to Eqypt and Mubarak since the 1980s and also providing intelligence support and diplomatic protection.
Surely you havent accepted the spin that the USA is trying to propagate demicracy and freedom in the world?
Democracy and Freedom are lacking on the US mainland - why would you be able to emport these virtues anywhere else?
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The Muslims should be grateful to America.
Look at how rich we've made them from oil sales.
Thats the point
The USA supports dictators and fascist military states in the region that oppress their people
Us and western corporates then funnel the bulk fo the profits from oil sales away from the people of the region.
Dont you know whats going on?
The USA supported the dictactor Mubarak in Eqypt from the 1980s right up until he was forced to step down by his own people who had enough of his tyranny and killings and theft.
Good mates - want to see pictures of Saddam and the Bushes? You can shove you head in the sand - but the people you oppress and kill will notHello? The US has to work with other countries even if we don't agree with them or their policies, unless we want to be isolationists or go to war. ALL countries who trade and try to work with one another do.
If what you say is true, then why are we always trying to change countries into democracies? If what you say is true, that would surely work against us when the people are having open and free (hopefully) elections. Iraq for instance.
Thats the point
The USA supports dictators and fascist military states in the region that oppress their people
Us and western corporates then funnel the bulk fo the profits from oil sales away from the people of the region.
Dont you know whats going on?
The USA supported the dictactor Mubarak in Eqypt from the 1980s right up until he was forced to step down by his own people who had enough of his tyranny and killings and theft.
Good mates - want to see pictures of Saddam and the Bushes? You can shove you head in the sand - but the people you oppress and kill will notHello? The US has to work with other countries even if we don't agree with them or their policies, unless we want to be isolationists or go to war. ALL countries who trade and try to work with one another do.
lol
almost fell off my chair
The historical record shows that US foreign policy is not about spreading democracy - that is a media propaganda tool used to justify many things - including wars and economic sanctions
Why isnt the USA asking the most brutal dictatorship in the Middle East to have a democratic society? I am talking about Saudi Arabia?
And you make the assumption that the USA itself is a democracy when it is clearly not
The USA is techincally an Oligarchy - a corpocratic form of state protected fascism.
And this is the model the military industrial machine exports to the world -
And like Goerge Orwell warned, "black is white" "love is hate" "good is evil" "capitalist corportarism is democracy"
Thats the point
The USA supports dictators and fascist military states in the region that oppress their people
Us and western corporates then funnel the bulk fo the profits from oil sales away from the people of the region.
Dont you know whats going on?
The USA supported the dictactor Mubarak in Eqypt from the 1980s right up until he was forced to step down by his own people who had enough of his tyranny and killings and theft.
Good mates - want to see pictures of Saddam and the Bushes? You can shove you head in the sand - but the people you oppress and kill will not
lol
almost fell off my chair
ah-ah-ah . . . Stick to the topic and no insults, no matter how subtle.
Besides, why are we to blame? Because we give them money that these dictators are supposed to spend on their people but don't? And then they kill their own people, and that's our fault too? That doesn't even make sense to me.
US foreign aid is NOT a blank cheque so that noble leaders can buy food and build hospitals. The bulk of US foreign aid is in the form of military aid and contracts to US corporations for specific projects. Its called aid for propaganda purposes as well as because it is given away - but the strings attached are very thick ropes indeed
Why werent the Canadian or BUlgarian embassies targeted?
Have you seen the secuirty at the Swedish embassy?
Looks like there are people out there who have had enough of US global imperialism and corporatism
Remember, the USA has over 1000 military installations and bases in over 140 countries all over the world
It spend more on military than the rest of the world combined
Who is the threat here?
It is an act of war. We should be loading and locking weapons at every embassy and consulate in the Middle East. Upon attack fire until the ammunition runs out. Then bomb them until none are left standing. After that send in the 18th Airborne Corps and the US Marines.
A real president would not tolerate an attack upon a US embassy or consulate. But we don't have one of those.
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