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Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

A good example of his positions that are an attack on individual liberties and in favor of big government. His statements are the obscenities, not a company that creates thousands and thousands of jobs. They are under no obligation to create higher paying jobs, or pay wages that are higher than the market value of the job. I guarantee that Sanders doesn't go into stores like Walmart and ask to pay more at the register because he wants the employees to make more money.
 

Can't help what you believe, but I've listened to him for years on podcasts, and I'll just say I think he's IMO as principled as anyone up there. Him and Ron Paul have partnered on some legislation and he's been awfully consistent on the issues that I've heard him speak on - very often taking a side against Obama and the democrats.
 
Which is what the right is promoting.
With the very real possibility of throwing the election into the House.
Bernie Sanderts is a fabu;lous Senator and should form a third wing/gang in the Senate to bridge the divide.
Manchin, King and the new dude Orman would be a good four-senator start.
danarhea said:
Unfortunately, the only way Hillary is going to lose is if Sanders runs as an Independent. That will siphon so much of the Liberal vote that Republicans will win in a landslide. If he doesn't run as an Independent, the GOP is screwed in 2016.
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To be fair to the GOP on the other side, they could also support Rand Paul as 3rd party in 2016 and/or 2020 to help their regular candidate.
The net effect would be to throw the election into the House--same result as with Sanders.
Also, look for a renewed effort by GOP controlled purple states like Pennsylvania to go to the Congressional District method of allocating electoral votes .
 

How often is "very often"? What 10 key votes did he oppose Obama and the Democrats on?
 
tres borrachos said:
Counterpoint in what way? And what's he stirred up, besides opposition to Hillary Clinton?
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Counterpoint to the trickle down economic theory and to the mantra that to decry the wealth gap is "class warfare" and therefore bad. What has he stirred up? Well, he seems to have stirred up some controversy at least on this forum.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Counterpoint to the trickle down economic theory and to the mantra that to decry the wealth gap is "class warfare" and therefore bad. What has he stirred up? Well, he seems to have stirred up some controversy at least on this forum.
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Maybe I missed the controversy on this forum. Where is it?

What other Democrats push the trickle down economic theory that he's countering?
 
You might want to ask all the mega-rich GOP farmers in the House who gave themselves multi-million dollar tax breaks in the latest Farm bill.
Oh wait, I can't get that link since this information will never be released.

Just as we'll never see the current tens of millions being spent on lawyers to sue the President.
Nor the tens of millions on I$$A committees.
Sue Obama for one thing yet yell at him for not doing the exact same thing on Immigration reform before the election . :lamo
A guy just can't make this stuff up .

tres borrachos said:
I too pay all of the taxes I think I need to pay, thankyouverymuch. How much more are we supposed to pay?
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It's not really an opinion question, as in mine versus yours. It's just cold, hard math. Just look at the projected unfunded liabilities that this government has rung up and I don't know how anyone would vote for someone that would spend even more. And to think that we can just raise taxes, as if they aren't high enough already, to cover those Trillions of dollars is just a mathematical impossibility.

And as an aside, are we just working to give the fruits of our labors to the government? When you add State, sales, federal, fees, etc... into what you pay for things, we are already giving up half of our earnings, maybe more, to the government. I thought this country was founded on individual liberties, and not being a slave to the government.
 
tres borrachos said:
Maybe I missed the controversy on this forum. Where is it?

What other Democrats push the trickle down economic theory that he's countering?
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All of them.
Dems were all against trickle-down, which Sen. Bob Dole would later say was his greatest mistake as Senate Majority Leader in 1983.
Tax cuts that have led to this $17.5 Trillion Dollar monster .
 
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None of this had anything to do with my post.
 
NIMBY said:
All of them.
We're all against whaqt Sen. Bob Dole would later say was his greatest mistake as Senate Majority Leader in 1983.
Tax cuts that have led to this $17.5 Trillion Dollar monster .
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All of the Dems push trickle down economics is what you're saying?
 
tres borrachos said:
I never said I'd vote for Sanders, did I?
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You never said you didn't either.
I was certainly correct to point out how you Cons/LRs are fawning all over a Bernie Sanders thread.

Just as I get smacked around for defending all the low blows Obama takes .

In NH I can vote for either party too.
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Out here in fly-over country, I would say that Romney and Huckabee are running one--two.
The rest just provide me daily amusement . :lamo
 

Incorrect. I've said many times that I would never vote for Sanders.
 
NIMBY said:
Just the opposite--but you already knew that .
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Which was my point. Sanders view of the economy is hardly "Independent". He supports the Democratic agenda in that regard without counterpoints. You're correct, I already knew that. Apparently others didn't.
 
tres borrachos said:
I too pay all of the taxes I think I need to pay, thankyouverymuch. How much more are we supposed to pay?
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That's because you probably fall somewhere in the middle. One party doesn't want to "punish" the rich, the other doesn't want to "punish" the poor. So the rest of us get squeezed harder and harder.
 
It sure does--you feel like you are TEA--I agree.
Take a look at the trillions that have been given to the rich and corporations your party supports.

Sen. Coburn-R-OK is for cutting off these loopholes and tax giveaways.
He supports current GOP Ways and Means Chair Dave Camp's tax rewrite bill that TEAs and McConnell have directed Boehner to sit on.
A tax rewrite that everyone in DC agrees we need .
tres borrachos said:
None of this had anything to do with my post.
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rocket88 said:
That's because you probably fall somewhere in the middle. One party doesn't want to "punish" the rich, the other doesn't want to "punish" the poor. So the rest of us get squeezed harder and harder.
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You mean in the middle politically? That I do. I fall above the middle financially. If my taxes were raised again, it wouldn't be right. I'm not looking to punish anyone, including myself.
 
Run Bernie Run!

Run EW Run!

Run Hillary out of the picture.
 
tres borrachos said:
Maybe I missed the controversy on this forum. Where is it?

What other Democrats push the trickle down economic theory that he's countering?
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You can r ead a thread like this and not conclude that Sanders is a controversial character?

Trickle down economics has been the order of the day for some time now, regardless of whether the Tweedledumocrats or the Tweedledeeblicans were in power.
 

Please return to the topic, which is Bernie Sanders. Thanks.

You can start another thread about trillions that the Libertarian party has given to the rich and the corporations. I'll see you in that one.
 
Sure they do--yer just twisting their words as you commonly do.
You know damn well that trickle-down has been an abject disaster given to us by your GOP.

It's been more like a torrential up since the GOP hedge-funders like Romney came to town during Reagan .
tres borrachos said:
Which was my point. Sanders view of the economy is hardly "Independent". He supports the Democratic agenda in that regard without counterpoints. You're correct, I already knew that. Apparently others didn't.
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As far as the debt thing goes, it's because it's so hard for us to imagine it going anywhere. When you hear how much in debt we are, at some point, your eyes just start to gloss over.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You can r ead a thread like this and not conclude that Sanders is a controversial character?

Trickle down economics has been the order of the day for some time now, regardless of whether the Tweedledumocrats or the Tweedledeeblicans were in power.
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He's not a controversial character. In fact, he's one of the least controversial because he admits to being a socialist, something most of them who are can't admit to.

He doesn't oppose the Democrats on much, and never has. He's a Democrat to the core when it comes to his voting. People who pretend otherwise and cheer him like he's some Maverick are clueless. If he was elected POTUS, it would be no different than Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. And like Obama, his hand would be forced to do things he wouldn't want to do because we don't elect dictators in this country, as you know.

He's an interesting old guy, but he's a Democrat vote from top to bottom. Nothing independent about him.
 
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