- Joined
- Nov 25, 2019
- Messages
- 69,366
- Reaction score
- 16,408
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Conservative
What would Paul think of someone who cheated on his wife while she was home with their baby?Paul was never an apostle. If he is or was, he is number 13. He never met Jesus. All he did was to make unsubstantiated and wild CLAIMS, not unlike the left does today because they adopted almost all of the ruses, chicanery, half-truths, speculations, and outright lies and coercion that Christians used successfully for many decades now. Guilt and fear are the two primary motivations to get and keep believers of ANYTHING, whether that be religion or politics. It works every time. But, I want to discuss in this thread one main problem with what Paul allegedly wrote.
I understand that some disagree as to whether or not Paul was the first writer but I do believe that most serious scholars, Christians included, agree that Paul was the very first. It is difficult to find a coherent argument to refute this most likely scenario. This being the most likely case, what "scripture" could Paul have been referring to when he said that "all Scripture is “God-breathed.” He said it this way: All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV)
I remember you. You don't respond to the OP. You are an antagonizer and thread buster. You offer nothing of value or worth but off-topic snipes.What would Paul think of someone who cheated on his wife while she was home with their baby?
Thread buster?I remember you. You don't respond to the OP. You are an antagonizer and thread buster. You offer nothing of value or worth but off-topic snipes.
/// "Guilt and fear are the two primary motivations to get and keep believers of ANYTHING, whether that be religion or politics." /// So, based on 'your' posted words, Donald J. Trump uses "guilt and fear" to get his followers and supporters to "believe" in his political agenda and religious world views. Very interesting declaration indeed on your part.Paul was never an apostle. If he is or was, he is number 13. He never met Jesus. All he did was to make unsubstantiated and wild CLAIMS, not unlike the left does today because they adopted almost all of the ruses, chicanery, half-truths, speculations, and outright lies and coercion that Christians used successfully for many decades now. Guilt and fear are the two primary motivations to get and keep believers of ANYTHING, whether that be religion or politics. It works every time. But, I want to discuss in this thread one main problem with what Paul allegedly wrote.
I understand that some disagree as to whether or not Paul was the first writer but I do believe that most serious scholars, Christians included, agree that Paul was the very first. It is difficult to find a coherent argument to refute this most likely scenario. This being the most likely case, what "scripture" could Paul have been referring to when he said that "all Scripture is “God-breathed.” He said it this way: All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV)
Wow, you nailed him big time. Good job.Thread buster?
Typically I wouldn't comment about politics in a thread of this category but after seeing your shameless segway into a dem party bash session, it seemed politics was on the table.
"All he did was to make unsubstantiated and wild CLAIMS, not unlike the left does today because they adopted almost all of the ruses, chicanery, half-truths, speculations, and outright lies and coercion that Christians used successfully for many decades now." ~ Paradoxical
Now please stay on topic. What would Paul think of someone who cheated on his wife when she was at home taking care of their baby?
You seem to have Trump on your mind all the time. My post was not about Trump. It was how the left adopted the identical tactics that Christians used to get and keep followers. Here is the gig.Thread buster?
Typically I wouldn't comment about politics in a thread of this category but after seeing your shameless segway into a dem party bash session, it seemed politics was on the table.
"All he did was to make unsubstantiated and wild CLAIMS, not unlike the left does today because they adopted almost all of the ruses, chicanery, half-truths, speculations, and outright lies and coercion that Christians used successfully for many decades now." ~ Paradoxical
Now please stay on topic. What would Paul think of someone who cheated on his wife when she was at home taking care of their baby?
You seem to have Trump on your mind all the time.
My post was not about Trump.
It was how the left adopted the identical tactics that Christians used to get and keep followers. Here is the gig.
You come up with a lie that when adopted by the masses will give you power and money or prestige and acclaim
You tell others to repeat the lie, which was done by the apostles, now by mainstream media in Goebbelsian fashion, over and over and over again.
You repeat those wild claims AS IF they are true such as a resurrection or Russian Collusion.
You banish, shun, denigrate, scorn, and ridicule all those who don't believe (Twitter, FaceBook, and MSM along with the radical left canceling people)
You warn them of doom and danger and death if they don't believe (striking fear) by telling them they will be tortured for eternity (The left warns them of fascism, racism, etc.)
You then hold out the carrot that YOU and all followers are the good and caring people and be rewarded with heaven (For the left they are saving the planet)
Rinse, wash, repeat. It works every time in every belief system.
No.Now please leave this thread.
If I don't respond to you anymore, you will have no one to harass.You seem to have leftists on your mind all the time. That is why you brought them up in a thread about religion. Shame on you.
No, it was about Paul and democrats.
Yeah, I saw that part. That is why I continued with the political angle.
What lie?
Russian collusion? Lol, derailing your own thread. Sad.
Ok, I will bite. Russian collusion was a republican investigation. What does that have to do with Dems?
I don't use any social media accounts nor do I watch MSM so I do not know what they believe.
Can you please prove your statement?
More examples please. This statement looks like gibberish to me but please feel free to provide examples.
I don't have followers so I don't know what you are talking about.
Are you a dentist?
No.
Paul was never an apostle. If he is or was, he is number 13. He never met Jesus. All he did was to make unsubstantiated and wild CLAIMS,
not unlike the left does today because they adopted almost all of the ruses, chicanery, half-truths, speculations, and outright lies and coercion that Christians used successfully for many decades now. Guilt and fear are the two primary motivations to get and keep believers of ANYTHING, whether that be religion or politics. It works every time. But, I want to discuss in this thread one main problem with what Paul allegedly wrote.
Paul was never an apostle. If he is or was, he is number 13. He never met Jesus. All he did was to make unsubstantiated and wild CLAIMS, not unlike the left does today because they adopted almost all of the ruses, chicanery, half-truths, speculations, and outright lies and coercion that Christians used successfully for many decades now. Guilt and fear are the two primary motivations to get and keep believers of ANYTHING, whether that be religion or politics. It works every time. But, I want to discuss in this thread one main problem with what Paul allegedly wrote.
I understand that some disagree as to whether or not Paul was the first writer but I do believe that most serious scholars, Christians included, agree that Paul was the very first. It is difficult to find a coherent argument to refute this most likely scenario. This being the most likely case, what "scripture" could Paul have been referring to when he said that "all Scripture is “God-breathed.” He said it this way: All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV)
Jesus vouched for someone he never met??Wrong!
His claims were not "unsubstantiated."
Jesus Himself, vouched for him.
Acts 9
10 Now there was a disciple in Damascus named Ananias; and the Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.”
11 And the Lord said to him, “Get up and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying,
12 and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him, so that he might regain his sight.”
13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many people about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints in Jerusalem;
14 and here he has authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on Your name.”
15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;
16 for I will show him how much he must suffer in behalf of My name.”
17 So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that
you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
18 And immediately something like fish scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;
19 and he took food and was strengthened.
You better learn how to read - AND UNDERSTAND - the Bible.
Not all of the ap[ostles liked him and if you check you'll see that the original 12 didn't include Paul. Brother doesn't mean apostle and besides no one knows who wrote the OTHER alleged gospels. The gospel ACCORDING TO is a tip that the person did NOT write it. They were illiterate anyway.Furthermore......
Paul was accepted by the apostles as one of them.
Galatians 2
7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised
8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles),
9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
10 Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.
2 Peter 3
14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found spotless and blameless by Him, at peace,
15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
He's inspired by God - just like all the other apostles.
Jesus vouched for someone he never met??
Not all of the ap[ostles liked him and if you check you'll see that the original 12 didn't include Paul. Brother doesn't mean apostle and besides no one knows who wrote the OTHER alleged gospels. The gospel ACCORDING TO is a tip that the person did NOT write it. They were illiterate anyway.
This is the delightful Christian attitude I so admire.Well of course the original 12 didn't include Paul. Paul was recruited by Jesus AFTER Jesus' death and resurrection.
Paul was accepted by the apostles! The evidence is given to support my claims.
READ THE BIBLE!
....and try to understand what you read.
That's all I've got to say.
Cheers.
Read what?Did you read it?
The Bible was NOT written by the apostles. They were illiterates. In any event, paul was a loon, the kind you see on MSM like Don Lemon, Joy Reid, Katy Tur, and others who got tired of hassling Christians, saw that their movement was gaining steam, and came up with a brilliant idea to CLAIM a vision, that NO ONE corroborated. He jumped on the bandwagon to gain notoriety and acclaim because he had no friends and basically no life. the guy had more sexual hangups than someone in group therapy for 20 years, was ugly, spurned by someone he loved and used Christianity as his springboard to gain the love and attention he so badly craved.Well of course the original 12 didn't include Paul. Paul was recruited by Jesus AFTER Jesus' death and resurrection.
Paul was accepted by the apostles! The evidence is given to support my claims.
READ THE BIBLE!
....and try to understand what you read.
That's all I've got to say.
Cheers.
Galatians 1:1Paul was never an apostle.
Take that bible and you know what you can do with iot.Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through human agency, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),
Romans 1:1
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
1 Corinthians 1:1
Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1 Timothy 2:7
For this I was appointed as a [a]preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
Acts 26:12-18
While so engaged, as I was journeying to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests, at midday, O king, I saw on the way a light from heaven, [b]brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who were journeying with me. 14 And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ And I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And the Lord said, ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting. But get up and stand on your feet; for this purpose I have appeared to you, to appoint you as a servant and a witness not only to the things in which you have seen Me, but also to the things in which I will appear to you, rescuing you from the Jewish people and from the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you, to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.’
1 Corinthians 15:3-10
For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
Galatians 2:8
(for He who was at work for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised was at work for me also to the Gentiles),
1 Corinthians 9:1-2
Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? If I am not an apostle to others, at least I am to you; for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
I understand that some disagree as to whether or not Paul was the first writer but I do believe that most serious scholars, Christians included, agree that Paul was the very first. It is difficult to find a coherent argument to refute this most likely scenario. This being the most likely case, what "scripture" could Paul have been referring to when he said that "all Scripture is “God-breathed.” He said it this way: All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV)
That is literal gibberish in English, because you need to understand cultural context, linguistic context, the dual-meanings and idioms of words as spoken by Greek speakers 2000 years ago. This isn't the work of Google Translate or BabelFish.all Classic divinely inspired and profitable toward teaching toward exposure toward - toward lesson the in righteousness
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?