Let's talk about.......ALBERTA.

[tosca1]

Some folks dismiss this threat of separation and say it happens every time the Liberals win.​

But they're missing one important element that hasn't been there in the past elections we've had.
TRUMP, and his invitation to become the 51st State.

We didn't have Trump, offering annexation in all the previous elections.
Our Canada isn't in such a bad shape the way it is now, during all the other previous elections!
We haven't been in this situation before. This is new territory for us.

If I'm not mistaken, Smith is open to annexation. I wonder if Alberta's position came up with her meetings with Trump?
Albertans could be SERIOUSLY interested this time.


As for the trade war - Trump hasn't tightened all the screws just yet.


Don't kid yourself. It's a very different ball-game this time.

Alberta just opened the door to separation—and we’re done getting screwed​

 

[tosca1]

What happens if Alberta have their referendum, and they end up indeed, separating from Canada?
Whether we like it or not, this will have a dramatic impact on the rest of Canada. And, I'm not just talking about Canada's wealth and economy.


Can you picture the likely scenario?
How things could evolve?

Your thoughts.

 

[Captain Adverse]

What happens if Alberta have their referendum, and they end up indeed, separating from Canada?
Whether we like it or not, this will have a dramatic impact on the rest of Canada. And, I'm not just talking about Canada's wealth and economy.


Can you picture the likely scenario?
How things could evolve?

Your thoughts.

Before I comment, I'd like to ask you a question.

It appears that it isn't only Alberta's population that are upset at their treatment from the government in Ottawa, but there are also rumblings in Saskatchewan and British Columbia. Thus the question:

How would you feel about these Provinces leaving Canada and either becoming Independent (either individually or in a new Confederation), or petitioning to join the USA?

Now to answer your question. Yes, I can see either one, two, or all three provinces separating from Canada. They may each seek separate independence, form a new Union of their own, or seek to join the U.S.A. The U.S. Constitution provides for the admission of a new State under the Constitution’s Admissions Clause, Article IV, Section 3. It would require both a simple House majority and also require a 60-member vote in the Senate due to cloture requirements.

While Trump holds office, I can also see him welcoming any one or all three into a union with the USA.

 

[tosca1]

Before I comment, I'd like to ask you a question.

It appears that it isn't only Alberta's population that are upset at the treatment from the government in Ottawa, but there are also rumblings in Saskatchewan and British Columbia.

How would you feel about these Provinces leaving Canada and either becoming Independent (either individually or in a new Confederation), or petitioning to join the USA?

I'm not quite familiar with their issue.
And, with Alberta - I think it's moved past grumblings when it opened the door to a possible referendum.


But it would be so interesting what would ensue to the rest of Canada should Alberta actually annexes herself with USA and become recognized as the 51st State.

 

[tosca1]

Before I comment, I'd like to ask you a question.

It appears that it isn't only Alberta's population that are upset at the treatment from the government in Ottawa, but there are also rumblings in Saskatchewan and British Columbia.

How would you feel about these Provinces leaving Canada and either becoming Independent (either individually or in a new Confederation), or petitioning to join the USA?

here is a likely scenario, especially (but not necessarily) when we see there's no stopping Alberta.
It can happen even without Alberta separating:


Carney will eventually cave in and will work it out for Canada to become the 51st State. How can he not?

Carney is pragmantic. He has to be.....if he's a businessman and an economic expert.
He can recognize what's up ahead and what we're up against.

Both Trump and Carney, are businessmen. They both understand the concept of............... "take-overs."


It won't happen overnight. Like I said, in about 2 to 3 years.
There will be a "softening"........the idea will be sold to us gradually.......and we'll be talked into it by our own government.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Before I comment, I'd like to ask you a question.

It appears that it isn't only Alberta's population that are upset at the treatment from the government in Ottawa, but there are also rumblings in Saskatchewan and British Columbia.

How would you feel about these Provinces leaving Canada and either becoming Independent (either individually or in a new Confederation), or petitioning to join the USA?

Don't get drawn in, seriously. Rebel News is a far right publication that posts click bait. Anyone actually living in Canada knows that Alberta leans more right than the rest of Canada but if you were to visit Alberta and ask them if they want to separate or join the US, they will give you a few expletives.

 

[tosca1]

Don't get drawn in, seriously. Rebel News is a far right publication that posts click bait. Anyone actually living in Canada knows that Alberta leans more right than the rest of Canada but if you were to visit Alberta and ask them if they want to separate or join the US, they will give you a few expletives.

I don't care who delivers the news.

I care about facts!

I mean for this issue to be a serious discussion. Mature discussion!
This isn't just another partisan issue for any hysterical, juvenile knee-jerk comments!.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I don't care who delivers the news.

I care about facts!

Actually you don't. You deliver far right talking points. It's not like we haven't read your posts. As the saying goes - you ain't foolin' anyone.

 

[tosca1]

Actually you don't. You deliver far right talking points. It's not like we haven't read your posts. As the saying goes - you ain't foolin' anyone.

You're obviously ignorant of the issue!
It's a fact!

Alberta introduces bill that would make it easier to separate

A day after Canada’s Liberals won a fourth consecutive mandate, Alberta’s government has introduced a bill that would make it easier to start a referendum – including one on separating from Canada. “We were going to introduce it regardless of what the outcome was,” said Alberta Premier Danielle...

edmonton.citynews.ca

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/danielle-smith-alberta-separation-referendum-threshold-analysis-1.7524320

Danielle Smith lowers bar for Alberta referendum with separatism sentiment emerging

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says she'll make it easier for citizens to initiate a referendum on the province's future in Canada.

nationalpost.com

Keep on topic, or......

have a nice day!

 

[gbg3]

I can certainly see the benefit to both Alberta and to the U.S. with the scenario the OP introduces.

As far as all of Canada, nope, I don't see that as a potential scenario (comment #5).

 

[tosca1]

Since both leaders are businessmen, who speaks the same language.........................think of Canada as a "business."

Annexxing and being the 51st State, can be seen as a "merger" in the business world.

What Is a Takeover? ​

A takeover occurs when one company makes a successful bid to assume control of or acquire another. Takeovers can be done by purchasing a majority stake in the target firm.
Takeovers are also commonly done through the merger and acquisition process. In a takeover, the company making the bid is the acquirer and the company it wishes to take control of is called the target.



Takeovers are typically initiated by a larger company seeking to take over a smaller one. They can be voluntary, meaning they are the result of a mutual decision between the two companies.
In other cases, they may be unwelcome, in which case the acquirer goes after the target without its knowledge or some times without its full agreement.

What Is a Takeover? Definition, How They're Funded, and Example

A takeover occurs when an acquiring company makes a successful bid to assume control of a target company.

www.investopedia.com

 

[tosca1]

As far as all of Canada, nope, I don't see that as a potential scenario (comment #5).

Why do you say that?

 

[tosca1]

I think - it's because they're both businessmen and speaks the same language - that could be the reason why Trump seems to like Carney.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Don't get drawn in, seriously. Rebel News is a far right publication that posts click bait. Anyone actually living in Canada knows that Alberta leans more right than the rest of Canada but if you were to visit Alberta and ask them if they want to separate or join the US, they will give you a few expletives.

I don't believe I am being "drawn in."

I have been following the events in Alberta quite closely, and THEIR government is indicating in various reports a desire for either independence, or a possible union with the U.S.A. as a State. They have scheduled a vote on the issue and per reports it has to be a handwritten vote on a ballot provided, and the voter must provide valid Province I.D. at time of voting.

Hence my prior responses in the thread above.

 

[L88]

I love Alberta.
Heading to Canmore and Jasper this fall for a week or so.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Why do you say that?

I'd like to add a reply to this question, even though it was posed to another member.

While the three western provinces I previously discussed would likely be welcomed for Statehood under the current Trump Administration, it is doubtful he would want to include Quebec (due to its heavy French history and population), or any of the other Liberal provinces who (IMO sorry to say) are waaaay too authoritarian Left for the USA.

Trump may see it differently though.

 

[gbg3]

Why do you say that?

Because I think the interest would potentially be there (from both Alberta and the U.S.) in the case of Alberta.

And, importantly, I can see alignment as comment 16 discusses. The liberal provinces in Canada want no part of the idea and I completely agree about the waaaay too authoritarian left difference mentioned in comment 16. Alberta could be a nice fit. The liberal provinces, not at all.

Even Canadians often talk about how their "right" is about equivalent to the Dem party in the U.S. Alberta is a unique exception and they are frustrated and virtually silenced in their different uniqueness within their current country.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I don't believe I am being "drawn in."

I have been following the events in Alberta quite closely, and THEIR government is indicating in various reports a desire for either independence, or a possible union with the U.S.A. as a State. They have scheduled a vote on the issue and per reports it has to be a handwritten vote on a ballot provided, and the voter must provide valid Province I.D. at time of voting.

Hence my prior responses in the thread above.

So was Quebec at one point but take a gauge of the people you will get a different story.

 

[Allan]

If I'm not mistaken, Smith is open to annexation. I wonder if Alberta's position came up with her meetings with Trump?
Albertans could be SERIOUSLY interested this time

Albertans need to look at a map. Almost the entire province is Treaties 7, 8 and 9 lands which have legal standing even today. Much of the small remainder is crown land.

I know the west well because I grew up there. This whining is at best amusing to the people out there.

 

[L88]

Albertans need to look at a map. Almost the entire province is Treaties 7, 8 and 9 lands which have legal standing even today. Much of the small remainder is crown land.

I know the west well because I grew up there. This whining is at best amusing to the people out there.

Ok, so I'm learning stuff here.
What do Treaties 7, 8, and 9 mean and do you have a link with a simple explanation?

 

[Allan]

Ok, so I'm learning stuff here.
What do Treaties 7, 8, and 9 mean and do you have a link with a simple explanation?

First of all I should have typed Treaties 6, 7, and 8. Indigenous Treaties 6, 7 and 8 cover the land in the map below.



There are additional smaller Treaties. The map below shows the extent of treaties in Canada.



The Treaties ceded the land to the crown in exchange for various rights, supports and reservations.

The province of Alberta doesn't own the land they're threatening to run off with.

If they attempt it the indigenous people will be in court pretty quick and they'll have a good case imo.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Born and raised Albertan

Spent all my life but the last 2 years there

The support for separation is about 20 to 25 %.

They are the loudest group in Alberta so they get the most attention.

What is ignored is that at heart, Albertans outside of rural religious groups are just as liberal as the rest of Canada.

The two major cities tend to elect liberal mayor's. The premiers talk a big game regarding fiscal discipline but spend like drunken sailors when it comes to election time.

Alberta survives the idiots of the Con party purely because it has normally fairly good oil and gas revenues. Without which Alberta would be worse of than Manitoba.

So if it actually came down to a vote, it would fail, all the cities would vote heavily no to leaving, most immigrants would vote no, first nation's would vote no leaving the angry rural conservatives to squeal about how unfair they have it despite all the government support they get ( which is a lot) all that fake independent stuff they try to show is just that

 

[tosca1]

@Allan

Aren't treatise broken?

Crown made a 'mockery' of 2 treaties with First Nations for 150 years, Supreme Court rules​

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Furthermore - how long before the monarchy becomes irrelevant?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Aren't treatise broken?

Crown made a 'mockery' of 2 treaties with First Nations for 150 years, Supreme Court rules​

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Furthermore - I think monarchy will become irrelevant too!

Break the treaty and the land reverts back to the original owner. The first nations, turning all other Alberta's to renters.

Unless you suggest stealing

 

[tosca1]

Break the treaty and the land reverts back to the original owner. The first nations, turning all other Alberta's to renters.

Unless you suggest stealing

I have to admit, I hardly know anything about treatise.