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Legalize all drugs now.

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James D Hill

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Why do we let big brother tell us what we can or can not put into our bodies? Yes cocaine is dangerous and can kill you. Yes Opiates are addicting and if you do too much LSD it can push you over the edge. Those things can also be said about drinking. As far is the damage to your health nothing beats cigarettes. So why do we pick and choose what nasty crap we put into our bodies? Who gets thar right and what makes them the experts? We all know the only safe drug is pot and if we where going off saftey pot would be the only one legal but since nasty ass booze and cigarettes are legal then what leg do we really have to stand on saying everything else should be illegal?
 

I see that you put up this post with great regularity. And before you get defensive, please know that I love drugs and that if you could raid my house right now, you'd find an excellent selection.

But I want to point out that selling drugs is one of the few business opportunities available to poor minorities. Most of my dealers are "persons of color" and if drugs were legalized, they would be sold in pharmacies owned by cruel, wealthy white guys who would draw $50 million dollar salaries.

Honestly, why do you want drugs legalized? Are you having trouble buying them? I can score speed, tar, Oxy and weed in less than an hour. I can tell you for sure that weed at a licensed pharmacy costs MORE than weed from my neighbor does. About the only thing that is cheaper when legal are Oxys, but that is obviously because of the double markup. And technically, Oxy is legal, it's getting a script that is so difficult.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 

Uhm, what about all that drug violence stuff...
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Uhm, what about all that drug violence stuff...
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What about it? Do you mean the totally over-hyped fear stories about junkies robbing you to get their next fix? If all these drugs were legalized, you would still need money to buy them and if you're a loser and a thief, well, I don't see how that changes anything. You'd still have to steal the money.

Now, if you think we should subsidize drugs, yes, that will end "drug violence". But really, you are seeing and speaking about "money violence" not "drug violence".
 

Actually no, I was referring to a prison population that has ballooned due to a fanatic drug prosecution that wants to lock you up for getting high. Or gangland violence as they fight over drug turf. I don't worry about someone mugging me for a fixx.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Actually no, I was referring to a prison population that has ballooned due to a fanatic drug prosecution that wants to lock you up for getting high. Or gangland violence as they fight over drug turf. I don't worry about someone mugging me for a fixx.
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Ah, sorry, I misunderstood.

PRISON POPULATION - Hey! Are you against private enterprise? Prisons are a BIG business and employ hundred of thousands of people. Then throw in all the cops and DEA agents who depend on this for their income.

GANGLAND VIOLENCE - So when gangbanger A sprays gangbanger B with his Uzi, why is this a problem for the rest of us?

I'm a lifelong garbage-can junkie and I certainly would wish that these moronic drug laws were eradicated. For my own safety if not for the good of human-kind. And you know what? I NEVER expected legalized pot and I was obviously wrong about that. So, anything is possible.
 

To the Prison Population, I think they would say awesome. The number of people arrested in 2012 in the U.S. on nonviolent drug charges: 1.55 million. The number of people arrested for a marijuana law violation in 2012: 749,825. Finally the number of those charged with marijuana law violations who were arrested for possession only: 658,231 (88 percent). So, I think a lot of them would rather be out then in... and as far as the DEA is concerned, well in the words NWA... **** tha Police. That and it would save us about 51 billion dollars annually.

And on the Gangland violence, did you know that the number of people murdered in the drug war inside the United States between 2006 and 2010 exceeds the US-troop death toll in the Iraq War since it was launched in 2003, according to FBI crime statistics. Also, those same statistics also show that the The US drug-war homicide tally also is nearly three times greater than the number of US soldiers killed in Afghanistan since the first shots were fired in that war in 2001.

On a side note, since you seem to be a user, maybe you can answer me something. If drugs were to be legalized, what drugs wouldn't pass the FDA? I mean, we can't be having battery acid or **** like that in the stuff. If there anything that is just definitely shouldn't be taken? All I'm saying is that, anything that would show red flags when you have to put the ingredients on it?
 

Each State is free to legalize any drugs they want to. You know that as well as I do, James.

Why do you think the federal government should get involved?
 

We've certainly done ourselves no favors with this heinous "drug war". I just can't see any real hope of change. We (America) literally forced every other country to make drugs illegal. Now, we are pretty much painted into a corner.

Drugs are a bit light on quality control so there is always an element of risk. I've heard of murders where battery acid residue was mixed with China White and caused death. I've heard of people overdosing. But if you are sensible about it - there is no one drug more risky than another. I've never injected a drug (and never will) and I'm pretty careful about the amounts I take.

AFAIK, marijuana is 100% safe and you can not OD. The opiates are the most dangerous ones (unless they are pharmacy origin) and they are very hard to quit. If you've managed to avoid them (opiates), I strongly suggest you give them a pass.




Mycroft said:
Each State is free to legalize any drugs they want to. You know that as well as I do, James.

Why do you think the federal government should get involved?
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Actually, it is the Federal laws that trump the state laws. However, since CO and WA have made an independent move and Obama has chosen not to intervene - well, who knows? I can tell you this - there are no Federal prostitution laws and yet only one fragment of one state has legalized it. So, the states are just as retarded as the Feds. But drugs are illegal by Federal law, so they are already "involved".
 

No but I am just driving home the hypocricy and the fact our prisons are full of fellow stonners for no other reason than giving the people what they want.Am i being redundant? Of cource but these moral crusaders need to have it pounded into their heads.
 
Mycroft said:
Each State is free to legalize any drugs they want to. You know that as well as I do, James.

Why do you think the federal government should get involved?
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Because redneck states would be throwing people in prison for what is legal in other states. I am glad we agree on legalizing drung my friend. Is it a first?
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Uhm, what about all that drug violence stuff...
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When you make a product illegal criminals will be the ones who control the trade. Criminals can be violent.Legalized drugs would take the criminals out of the business. I think it is just common sense.
 
James D Hill said:
Because redneck states would be throwing people in prison for what is legal in other states. I am glad we agree on legalizing drung my friend. Is it a first?
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James, that happens throughout every aspect of life in the US. States enact laws that are different from other States.

Do you think the feds should set ALL laws? That the States shouldn't be able to enact laws of their own?

Or is it only drugs that concern you? That the feds should control drugs in all States? That no State should be able to decide for themselves?
 

I an against redneck laws at the state level and from the fed's. There is no reson for pot to be legal in Washington but you get thrown in jail in Oklhoma.
 
James D Hill said:
I an against redneck laws at the state level and from the fed's. There is no reson for pot to be legal in Washington but you get thrown in jail in Oklhoma.
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So it's just the drugs that bother you?
 
Mycroft said:
So it's just the drugs that bother you?
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Not all redneck laws are about drugs my friend but you are right. I have smoked pot since 1976 and have been helt back because of pot laws both on the job and the police. I do not like redneck laws under any circumstance. They are anti freedom.
 
James D Hill said:
Not all redneck laws are about drugs my friend but you are right. I have smoked pot since 1976 and have been helt back because of pot laws both on the job and the police. I do not like redneck laws under any circumstance. They are anti freedom.
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So...do you think those redneck counties, cities and towns in Colorado who have declined to allow retail marijuana sales in their localities should be dictated to by the feds?
 
Drugs are dangerous, but when you make them illegal, you make them more dangerous, not less. Alcohol Prohibition became such a disaster within 10 years that they passed a Constitutional Amendment to repeal a Constitutional Amendment. What reasonable person would expect the prohibition of any other drug to have any other outcome?

The Federal government doesn't have the Constitutional authority to dictate what The People can and cannot knowingly and willingly put into our own bodies (which is why they had to pass a Constitutional Amendment to ban alcohol), so any drug prohibition laws should be left to the States in accordance with the 10th Amendment.
 

Disparagement and disrespect are not useful techniques to accomplish your mission. What is it you are proposing? Every few days, I see you say "drugs should be legal" or something like that. Then, you make derogatory comments about those who don't agree. "Pounding heads" is meaningless if you don't even know yourself what you are trying to accomplish.

Let's start out by defining which drugs you wish legalized and what restrictions, if any, will be required. I'm perfectly happy to have an intelligent discussion about this.
 
Mycroft said:
So...do you think those redneck counties, cities and towns in Colorado who have declined to allow retail marijuana sales in their localities should be dictated to by the feds?
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They should just take a few bongs and stop with their obsession of dictating others morality. If they don't like pot then don't smoke it. Isn't that the way it is done with booze? Hust because it is legal does not mean you have to drink.
 
James D Hill said:
They should just take a few bongs and stop with their obsession of dictating others morality. If they don't like pot then don't smoke it. Isn't that the way it is done with booze? Hust because it is legal does not mean you have to drink.
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James!!

Are you becoming libertarian on me??

Would you care to apply that same reasoning to Obamacare?
 

Why discipline our kids? Why not make it legal to settle our disputes as we see fit? Why punish us for being drunk behind the wheel and killing children on their way to school? Why try to maintain our health? Why not let others pay for my medical problems related to the fact that I weigh 300 pounds and never get off the couch? Why vote for our leaders?
 
Mycroft said:
James!!

Are you becoming libertarian on me??

Would you care to apply that same reasoning to Obamacare?
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I am a libertarian on social issues but a socialist of fiscal issues. I do believe in helping people in hard times and government does play a roll. They are after all accountable for bad trade bills that sent million of jobs overseas and picking fights with oil rich nations and drove up the cost of fuel 100%. I agree people should not be living off the gravy train when they are plenty of good jobs but this is not that time. The people are hurting and even this modest job gain is undermines by poor pay that in many cases does not get people off food stamps.
 

So what do fascist drug laws have to do with discipline of our kids. My folks spanked our ass when booze was legal so why not if drugs where legal? What are trying to say. We should not insure people who are fat or drunks? What about cigarettes which are the worst drug in the world and had been legal forever? What is your point?
 

That is because social conservatives and moral crusaders are the most thick headed of all of us. They think they are right and justify fascism with the more moral than thou attitude. The real sin is not drugs or food. The sin is being a glutton and you don't ban whoppers because they make people fat and you don't ban booze because a few idiots drive drunk and 10% of people who drink become drunks. The price of keeping drugs illegal is just too high. Putting people in pridon is really expensive as we all know. Ruining someones life with a felony just because they don't use they right intoxicant is BS. We are creating an unemployable group of people who otherwise would be just fine if we did not try to control their personal intoxicant use. The price is just too high in lives and money.
 
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