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Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural. Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?
The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
Ok, "So help me God", is...how can say this? harmless. There is no point in removing it unless you just have a beef with the word "God", period. 44 other people are just fine with "so help me God", why aren't you?I wonder where Ludahai's outrage is over every piece of religious buffoonery Christians, Muslims and Jews come up with that waste not only the time of atheists but also tax payer money.
Ok, "So help me God", is...how can say this? harmless. There is no point in removing it unless you just have a beef with the word "God", period. 44 other people are just fine with "so help me God", why aren't you?
oooh, I said "God" oh my goodness! Sue me!
Every single president in the past has said it and the only one harmed was Harrison. And Experts blame it on his long speech.
Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural.
Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?
The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
They should swear on the Constitution, and by doing so the citizens of this country.
I wonder where Ludahai's outrage is over every piece of religious buffoonery Christians, Muslims and Jews come up with that waste not only the time of atheists but also tax payer money.
The first amendment says establish which in all normal usage in this context means set up a state church like the the CoE, it doesn't mean removing all references to Xtianity from the state. Only whinging athiests and judical activists try and twist it to mean anything like that."Want" is no justification for violations of the first amendment (Not that I'm suggesting that an oath can constitute one.)
Secularism isn't about "forcing godless beliefs on everyone" but respecting every religion by not playing favorites. Its about indifference, not skepticism.
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Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural. Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?
The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
lol, I'm DYING to hear how swearing that would be unconstitutional!I believe the crux of this issue is constitutionality, so "harm" or "a beef" would both be equally irrelevant.
His inaugural address...what?Are you sure about that? George Washington: First Inaugural Address. U.S. Inaugural Addresses. 1989
That only matters in the minds of....no one...except you.Also, not every president believed in a personal god, some were deists.
That only matters in the minds of....no one...except you.
The first amendment says establish which in all normal usage in this context means set up a state church like the the CoE, it doesn't mean removing all references to Xtianity from the state. Only whinging athiests and judical activists try and twist it to mean anything like that.
The first amendment says establish which in all normal usage in this context means set up a state church like the the CoE, it doesn't mean removing all references to Xtianity from the state. Only whinging athiests and judical activists try and twist it to mean anything like that.
It's time for those people to shut the **** up.
They don't have to like it but they do not have the right to make the world free of it.
lol, I'm DYING to hear how swearing that would be unconstitutional!
His inaugural address...what?
That only matters in the minds of....no one...except you.
:roll: I would have actually debated the first part with you rationally with constitutional law, if it weren't for your blatant and rude ad-hominem.
That would be something I would like to see for once. God doesn't run this country.
God is not the backbone of America, the Constitution is. The fact you are quoting the constitution says just that.
I would have debated with you...
I would have debated with you if you hadn't used the term ad-hominem. This is a politics board, we are discussing society and men not natural sciences, that certainly means people can and sometimes should be attacked at times.
You athiests do love to whinge don't you.
The first amendment says establish which in all normal usage in this context means set up a state church like the the CoE, it doesn't mean removing all references to Xtianity from the state.
Your post ignores the issue over the fact the term establish means setting up a state church.
I must say that is hilarious coming to a liberal, most treat the constitution as mere guidelines to remade at their whim.
Your post ignores the issue over the fact the term establish means setting up a state church.
Ad hominem is not a logical fallacy unless one is using it in the place of arguments. If it is used alongside them it is just a colourful additions like icing or spices. Again we aren't discussing astronomy but politics and society, one can certainly attack the viewpoints of others as long as he has more to offer.WRONG, this is a DEBATE forum ON politics, and in debate the logical fallacies of your opponents argument are EXACTLY what one should say. If you regard people pointing out fallacies as improper in a debate, you don't understand what it means to argue that something is true.
What respect? You are trying to twist words.If you regard respect for the constitution as whining, you're only repeatedly proving how wasted rationality and appeals to patriotism are on you.
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