Kristallnacht and the assassination of Charlie Kirk

[j brown's body]

"I have been thinking of historical, rather than fictional, antecedents, in particular the assassination in 1938 of a Nazi diplomat in Paris by a Polish-German Jewish teenager named Herschel Grynszpan. I’ve been thinking about it because it’s an assassination; because, like most public violence, it was committed by a young man; and because it was an act of despair. Grynszpan’s family, rejected by both Germany and Poland, was stuck in borderland hell between those two countries, along with some 12,000 other people. Staying with an uncle in Paris, Grynszpan was unable to help them. He decided to kill someone he saw as a representative of the force that was immiserating his loved ones. If the information released by the Utah investigators so far proves accurate, Tyler Robinson might have felt a similar desperate fury.

Grynszpan’s action served as a pretext for Kristallnacht, “the Night of Broken Glass,” a two-day state-sponsored pogrom in Nazi Germany. During the course of it, authorities rounded up nearly 30,000 Jews, marking the first time the regime conducted mass arrests and put people in concentration camps because of who they were and not what they had ostensibly done.

But what makes this parallel feel most apt is how nervous I am about drawing it. The comparison seems straightforward: The person who was murdered was a representative of a hateful ideology, the person thought to have killed him was a deluded young man who may have tried to oppose that hatred in the most destructive manner imaginable. And yet something in the transformed landscape of this country tells me I’m not supposed to say so."

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Interesting parallels.

 

[justoneman]

"I have been thinking of historical, rather than fictional, antecedents, in particular the assassination in 1938 of a Nazi diplomat in Paris by a Polish-German Jewish teenager named Herschel Grynszpan. I’ve been thinking about it because it’s an assassination; because, like most public violence, it was committed by a young man; and because it was an act of despair. Grynszpan’s family, rejected by both Germany and Poland, was stuck in borderland hell between those two countries, along with some 12,000 other people. Staying with an uncle in Paris, Grynszpan was unable to help them. He decided to kill someone he saw as a representative of the force that was immiserating his loved ones. If the information released by the Utah investigators so far proves accurate, Tyler Robinson might have felt a similar desperate fury.

Grynszpan’s action served as a pretext for Kristallnacht, “the Night of Broken Glass,” a two-day state-sponsored pogrom in Nazi Germany. During the course of it, authorities rounded up nearly 30,000 Jews, marking the first time the regime conducted mass arrests and put people in concentration camps because of who they were and not what they had ostensibly done.

But what makes this parallel feel most apt is how nervous I am about drawing it. The comparison seems straightforward: The person who was murdered was a representative of a hateful ideology, the person thought to have killed him was a deluded young man who may have tried to oppose that hatred in the most destructive manner imaginable. And yet something in the transformed landscape of this country tells me I’m not supposed to say so."

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Interesting parallels.

I thought you guys were saying the assassin is MAGA? Now you are saying he is the opposite? He is a transgender activist striking out against the rounding up and extermination of the cross dressers?

 

[Loulit01]

Charlie Kirk and Kristallnacht?

 

[bongsaway]

"I have been thinking of historical, rather than fictional, antecedents, in particular the assassination in 1938 of a Nazi diplomat in Paris by a Polish-German Jewish teenager named Herschel Grynszpan. I’ve been thinking about it because it’s an assassination; because, like most public violence, it was committed by a young man; and because it was an act of despair. Grynszpan’s family, rejected by both Germany and Poland, was stuck in borderland hell between those two countries, along with some 12,000 other people. Staying with an uncle in Paris, Grynszpan was unable to help them. He decided to kill someone he saw as a representative of the force that was immiserating his loved ones. If the information released by the Utah investigators so far proves accurate, Tyler Robinson might have felt a similar desperate fury.

Grynszpan’s action served as a pretext for Kristallnacht, “the Night of Broken Glass,” a two-day state-sponsored pogrom in Nazi Germany. During the course of it, authorities rounded up nearly 30,000 Jews, marking the first time the regime conducted mass arrests and put people in concentration camps because of who they were and not what they had ostensibly done.

But what makes this parallel feel most apt is how nervous I am about drawing it. The comparison seems straightforward: The person who was murdered was a representative of a hateful ideology, the person thought to have killed him was a deluded young man who may have tried to oppose that hatred in the most destructive manner imaginable. And yet something in the transformed landscape of this country tells me I’m not supposed to say so."

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Interesting parallels.

It's the people in power who cause the anger just like trump is doing and as Hitler did in Germany in the thirties. He made the Jews the demons, trump makes the Democrats and anyone who won't bend the knee demons opposed to their authoritarian rule. Too many folks don't really know the history of the Nazis but trump is using the national guard as his brownshirts sending them into democratically controlled cities supposedly to help them and just like the brownshirts who would cause the fighting in Germany, they would then blame the Jews for causing the violence. Trump has many of the same tendencies Hitler had but at the moment, not hitler's power over the state.

 

[bongsaway]

I thought you guys were saying the assassin is MAGA? Now you are saying he is the opposite? He is a transgender activist striking out against the rounding up and extermination of the cross dressers?

Take it any way you wish.

 

[justoneman]

It's the people in power who cause the anger just like trump is doing and as Hitler did in Germany in the thirties. He made the Jews the demons, trump makes the Democrats and anyone who won't bend the knee demons opposed to their authoritarian rule. Too many folks don't really know the history of the Nazis but trump is using the national guard as his brownshirts sending them into democratically controlled cities supposedly to help them and just like the brownshirts who would cause the fighting in Germany, they would then blame the Jews for causing the violence. Trump has many of the same tendencies Hitler had but at the moment, not hitler's power over the state.

ANTIFA dressing in black smashing windows, burning cars and intimidating pedestrians are the brown shirts. MAGA do not do those things. Instead we pick up the litter after a rally.

 

[justoneman]

Take it any way you wish.

Well I certainly do not take it that this murderer is some kind of hero fighting genocide, as the OP is attempting to do.

 

[ElChupacabra]

It's the people in power who cause the anger just like trump is doing and as Hitler did in Germany in the thirties. He made the Jews the demons, trump makes the Democrats and anyone who won't bend the knee demons opposed to their authoritarian rule. Too many folks don't really know the history of the Nazis but trump is using the national guard as his brownshirts sending them into democratically controlled cities supposedly to help them and just like the brownshirts who would cause the fighting in Germany, they would then blame the Jews for causing the violence. Trump has many of the same tendencies Hitler had but at the moment, not hitler's power over the state.

It's a bit more nuanced than that in my opinion, because I feel some leaders correctly identify existing grievances and then amplify them so they receive more attention and create an endless grievance loop that feeds their power. Trump is very much this kind of leader.

 

[Irredentist]

I thought you guys were saying the assassin is MAGA? Now you are saying he is the opposite? He is a transgender activist striking out against the rounding up and extermination of the cross dressers?

I don't think he was either one of those things. I think he was a young man with a grudge against Charlie Kirk. The murder seemed more personal than political.

 

[justoneman]

I don't think he was either one of those things. I think he was a young man with a grudge against Charlie Kirk. The murder seemed more personal than political.

It was entirely political.

 

[Irredentist]

It was entirely political.

Do we know that for a fact? Tyler Robinson hasn't given us much of anything for a motive.

 

[j brown's body]

It was entirely political.

There is no evidence of this.

There is no evidence the Trump shooter was political either.

 

[element94]

ANTIFA dressing in black smashing windows, burning cars and intimidating pedestrians are the brown shirts. MAGA do not do those things. Instead we pick up the litter after a rally.

Except on J6, which was based on nothing other than Trump's multitude of lies. You guys are great./S

 

[justoneman]

Do we know that for a fact? Tyler Robinson hasn't given us much of anything for a motive.

The case against him has just started but even now the public knows so much. We know he is in a gay relationship with his transgender "furry" lover. We know that the shells were etched with furry and gay advocacy quips. We know he has spoken out against Kirk's words and events. Charlie Kirk is entirely political. The whole reason for Kirk's fame is about politics.

It is entirely political.

 

[justoneman]

Except on J6, which was based on nothing other than Trump's multitude of lies. You guys are great./S

J6 was a riot. No doubt. It is a stain on conservatives and on MAGA.

 

[Irredentist]

The case against him has just started but even now the public knows so much. We know he is in a gay relationship with his transgender "furry" lover. We know that the shells were etched with furry and gay advocacy quips. We know he has spoken out against Kirk's words and events. Charlie Kirk is entirely political. The whole reason for Kirk's fame is about politics.

It is entirely political.

A transgender girlfriend and a couple of bullet etchings aren't very much to base a political ideology off of. You'd think if the intent was to make some kind of political statement, that the messaging would be more clear. Why would he hide his motivation if it was political?

 

[j brown's body]

The case against him has just started but even now the public knows so much. We know he is in a gay relationship with his transgender "furry" lover. We know that the shells were etched with furry and gay advocacy quips. We know he has spoken out against Kirk's words and events. Charlie Kirk is entirely political. The whole reason for Kirk's fame is about politics.

It is entirely political.

You think furries are political? It looks more like he is trolling us for the benefit of his online friends.

"On the casing of the bullet that killed Kirk, Robinson etched a reference to “Notices Bulge / OwO What’s This?” — an internet comic, showing two men chatting across computer screens, that had long been used to poke fun at both the online subculture of people who dress up or identify as animals, known as “furries,” and sexual role-playing online. After the shooting, Robinson seemed to delight in the idea of the racy message getting mainstream attention, telling his roommate he “might have a stroke” if an anchor read it out loud on Fox News. The meme was first popularized in 2015, when Robinson would have been around 12.

A second engraving — “Hey Facist! Catch!” with five arrow symbols — resembled the sequence players must press to launch a bomb in the satirical video game “Helldivers 2.” The wildly popular multiplayer game features a futuristic empire vying to spread “managed democracy,” mostly by assaulting other planets; its super-soldiers call their enemies “fascists,” though the game’s subtext suggests the real fascists might be the soldiers themselves.
The arrow sequence’s activation of the “Eagle 500KG Bomb,” one of the game’s most devastating airstrikes, had itself become a popular meme — shorthand for when someone wanted to suggest they’d swiftly and decisively ended an argument. A 10-year-old account on the computer-gaming platform Steam that matches some known biographical and relationship details for Robinson suggested he had played “Helldivers 2” for roughly 400 hours.

A third etching, “O Bella ciao,” referenced an Italian folk anthem sung by resistance fighters to Benito Mussolini’s fascist government during World War II. But the song has become prominent across pop culture, featured as the background music to the recent Netflix show “Money Heist,” gaming-clip compilations on TikTok and the first-person shooter game “Far Cry 6.”

The final inscription — “If you Read This, You Are GAY Lmao” — echoed the kind of crude taunting commonly found in online games and chatrooms."

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[j brown's body]

A transgender girlfriend and a couple of bullet etchings aren't very much to base a political ideology off of. You'd think if the intent was to make some kind of political statement, that the messaging would be more clear. Why would he hide his motivation if it was political?

The transgender girlfriend, which the right-wing pushes relentlessly, is more of an indication that it was personal, not political.

 

[Grand Mal]

J6 was a riot. No doubt. It is a stain on conservatives and on MAGA.

You think there were conservatives there?

 

[justoneman]

A transgender girlfriend and a couple of bullet etchings aren't very much to base a political ideology off of. You'd think if the intent was to make some kind of political statement, that the messaging would be more clear. Why would he hide his motivation if it was political?

Haha! Good one.

 

[justoneman]

You think there were conservatives there?

Sure. not Neocons.

 

[NJBob]

It was entirely political.

Agreed. The personal politics of a single deranged person.

 

[j brown's body]

Haha! Good one.

Perfect, in fact.

 

[Linc]

Haha! Good one.

It appears Charlie’s views on Israel were ‘evolving’.

Charlie Kirk's Israel views leave conservatives feuding

Major figures are arguing whether Kirk was being pressured to change his stance, in a new twist on the free speech debate.

www.newsweek.com

And now ‘Trump’s Debauched Sidekick’ Bannon wants the Utah governor investigated.

Steve Bannon urges investigation of Spencer Cox after Charlie Kirk shooting

The Utah governor has received bipartisan praise for his rhetoric, but some conservatives have been more critical.

www.newsweek.com

 

[roberthughey]

"I have been thinking of historical, rather than fictional, antecedents, in particular the assassination in 1938 of a Nazi diplomat in Paris by a Polish-German Jewish teenager named Herschel Grynszpan. I’ve been thinking about it because it’s an assassination; because, like most public violence, it was committed by a young man; and because it was an act of despair. Grynszpan’s family, rejected by both Germany and Poland, was stuck in borderland hell between those two countries, along with some 12,000 other people. Staying with an uncle in Paris, Grynszpan was unable to help them. He decided to kill someone he saw as a representative of the force that was immiserating his loved ones. If the information released by the Utah investigators so far proves accurate, Tyler Robinson might have felt a similar desperate fury.

Grynszpan’s action served as a pretext for Kristallnacht, “the Night of Broken Glass,” a two-day state-sponsored pogrom in Nazi Germany. During the course of it, authorities rounded up nearly 30,000 Jews, marking the first time the regime conducted mass arrests and put people in concentration camps because of who they were and not what they had ostensibly done.

But what makes this parallel feel most apt is how nervous I am about drawing it. The comparison seems straightforward: The person who was murdered was a representative of a hateful ideology, the person thought to have killed him was a deluded young man who may have tried to oppose that hatred in the most destructive manner imaginable. And yet something in the transformed landscape of this country tells me I’m not supposed to say so."

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Interesting parallels.

You should listen to Senator Fetterman.

This kind of Nazi nonsense only appeals to people like you.