There are allegedly loose mines floating in our close to the Black Sea now. Russia blames Ukraine but we know how that goes.Well, I read they did move their ships south... that's a good direction, away from Ukraine. As long as their missiles can't still hit inland from there.
Can you imagine being a regular old merchant ship trying to make a delivery on the Black Sea right now, with missiles winging overhead, etc? Dangerous job for them, too.
It can be replaced IF Turkey allows one of its counterparts currently in the Mediterranean to sail through the Bosporus Straits. We'll see what Turkey is made of.I was reading an article today about this story. It's amazing for 2 reasons:
1) How a single cruiser could end up being so pivotal to key Russian invasion plans.. for instance, an amphibious invasion is now off the table logistically without the Moskva.
2) For how valuable as the Movska was, it was INSANE for the Russians to be manuevering her so close to shore.
The Moskva is a key piece of the Russian invasion plan that they can't replace.
They may now find it hard to even maintain supply lines to Crimea.
I didn't know you could mine the water. That sucks.There are allegedly loose mines floating in our close to the Black Sea now. Russia blames Ukraine but we know how that goes.
Yes you can suspend them under the water line at various depths where it's hard to detect them. That said sonar as advanced so much I think my side-finder fish finder sonar could probably detect them. If that's the case perhaps ships have even better capability.I didn't know you could mine the water. That sucks.
Update: The Russian government has confirmed confirmed ship has sunk.
Russian warship: Moskva sinks in Black Sea
The warship sank while being towed a day after Ukraine claimed to have hit it with a missile.www.bbc.com
Fantastic. This Russian warship has been firing cruise missiles into Ukraine.
Russia's defence ministry said it sank as it was towed back to port in stormy weather following an explosion.
538 officers and enlisted.Yep, just as I have been saying; when a major fire can't be put out and is still burning the next day, while the crew has been evacuated, the ship is doomed. Either has a burnt out hull or sinking.
Numerous reports had it way down by the port side or capsized from the attack. Would not be surprised if the claim of towing was a bit of a ruse, a failed attempt from the git go followed by the ships final plunge.
Question now is, how many of the crew were really saved? Had to be causalities from explosion of that size and so far only 54 have been accounted for.
Meh... Even538 officers and enlisted.
Last I heard, 54 were recovered.
Whoa.538 officers and enlisted.
Last I heard, 54 were recovered.
They're hiding it now beneath the waves. You can't hide any more than that.There are so many eyes on that area of the world that I don't think the Russians can hide a missile strike for long, if it was a missile strike.
Russian warship sinks after Ukraine claims it struck ship with missiles
The Russian Defense Ministry announced on Thursday that its Black Sea Fleet flagship vessel, Moskva, sunk after losing its stability when it was towed to a port. Russia said the ship sustained damages during a fire started by the detonation of ammunition.
Heh.......karma is a bitch.
I heard on MSNBC tonight that The Moskva was hit by missiles designed by Ukraine itself, not by ones supplied by foreign powers. I came to Debate Politics to see if there were any good threads about the sinking of the Moskva and was pleased to find this one. (Litwin also posted one, but Rogue Valley alluded to the missiles Ukraine used.) Here is some more information I found about the missiles. I can understand why the Ukrainians would be proud!The Ukrainian High Command and the Mayor of Odesa (fired from) said two Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles were fired at the Moskva.
Not really. Its job was to provide the defense for the others. They've been bombing Kyiv today--don't know how they were launched, but I hope the ships at sea are now too far away, at least for now.
Whoa.
? More dead reported or more ships sunk?It won't stop here.
? More dead reported or more ships sunk?
I am sorry to display my ignorance publicly, but what is the situation on The Black Sea now? What ships does Russia have there at the moment? If the Moskva was the flagship, it implies that there were other ships in its fleet. Are you saying that certain ships can only enter The Black Sea through the Bosporous, not from Russian ports on the Black Sea? I did not know that since I have no idea what ships are used in warfare between Russia and Ukraine. Does anyone feel like giving a tutorial (or linking to one) from this thread?I highly doubt Turkey will allow either of Russia's two remaining "Slava class" heavy cruisers into the Black Sea.
Zelenskyy advisor Oleksiy Arestovych has posted a video to Twitter showing what he said was Russia's Moskva cruiser being struck by Ukraine's Neptune Missiles (the bright flash)
Holy Shiite! That's a lot of crew!538 officers and enlisted.
Last I heard, 54 were recovered.
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