Just one rule and they broke it...

[Daisy]

Why did God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden?

Some people use this as an argument against God's goodness. But it's actually just the opposite.

Think about it:

God gave Adam and Eve one rule (Genesis 2:16-17). Just one.

They had a plethora of choices for delicious, nutritious fruit (Genesis 2:8-9). And only one was forbidden. Just one.

God created Adam and Eve "very good" (Genesis 1:31) and had fellowship with them (Genesis 3:8-9). So they had no reason for insecurities, concerns, or fears. None. Not one.

But God didn't want robot love any more than you or I would want it.(1)

So He tested their faith.

And man—without a care in a perfect environment, with every reason to trust and obey his loving Father—sinned at the first opportunity, broke the one rule, and broke God's heart.

This event is not an argument against God's goodness, but an argument for it...especially because God immediately began to redeem mankind from his sins.(2)

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https://biblelovenotes.blogspot.com/2016/07/just-one.html?m=1

 

[Noodlegawd]

God immediately began to redeem mankind from his sins.(2)

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https://biblelovenotes.blogspot.com/2016/07/just-one.html?m=1

You mean from Adam and Eve's sins, which the rest of mankind did not commit.

So much for free will.

 

[HK.227]

Why did God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden?
Some people use this as an argument against God's goodness. But it's actually just the opposite.

Think about it:
God gave Adam and Eve one rule (Genesis 2:16-17). Just one.
They had a plethora of choices for delicious, nutritious fruit (Genesis 2:8-9). And only one was forbidden. Just one.
God created Adam and Eve "very good" (Genesis 1:31) and had fellowship with them (Genesis 3:8-9). So they had no reason for insecurities, concerns, or fears. None. Not one.

But God didn't want robot love any more than you or I would want it.(1)
So He tested their faith.
And man—without a care in a perfect environment, with every reason to trust and obey his loving Father—sinned at the first opportunity, broke the one rule, and broke God's heart.

This event is not an argument against God's goodness, but an argument for it...especially because God immediately began to redeem mankind from his sins.(2)

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https://biblelovenotes.blogspot.com/2016/07/just-one.html?m=1

Interesting take.
It is certainly true that some lessons and the insight that comes with them can better be attained through disobedience to authority than adherance to it.
Something parents tend to observe in their own kids as they grow up, now that I think about it...

 

[Arlette]

It's a story. That's all. A story of the first entrapment, to hold humans over a barrel by creating sin

 

[tosca1]

Why did God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden?

Some people use this as an argument against God's goodness. But it's actually just the opposite.

Think about it:

God gave Adam and Eve one rule (Genesis 2:16-17). Just one.

They had a plethora of choices for delicious, nutritious fruit (Genesis 2:8-9). And only one was forbidden. Just one.

God created Adam and Eve "very good" (Genesis 1:31) and had fellowship with them (Genesis 3:8-9). So they had no reason for insecurities, concerns, or fears. None. Not one.

But God didn't want robot love any more than you or I would want it.(1)

So He tested their faith.

And man—without a care in a perfect environment, with every reason to trust and obey his loving Father—sinned at the first opportunity, broke the one rule, and broke God's heart.

This event is not an argument against God's goodness, but an argument for it...especially because God immediately began to redeem mankind from his sins.(2)

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https://biblelovenotes.blogspot.com/2016/07/just-one.html?m=1

..............which just shows that they weren't created perfect.

Jesus was also tested by Satan in the dessert, but because He was a perfect man - He remained sinless.
An unblemished lamb He had to be, offered as the ultimate sacrifice to God.

Yes, indeed....God's goodness and love for us is revealed. He could've just blotted out His creation.
Instead - He had chosen to die for us - as a man in Jesus Christ - to redeem us.

 

[Daisy]

Interesting take.
It is certainly true that some lessons and the insight that comes with them can better be attained through disobedience to authority than adherance to it.
Something parents tend to observe in their own kids as they grow up, now that I think about it.

And some people have sense enough to learn from other's mistakes and some don't...

 

[Rich2018]

Why did God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden?

Some people use this as an argument against God's goodness. But it's actually just the opposite.

Think about it:

God gave Adam and Eve one rule (Genesis 2:16-17). Just one.

They had a plethora of choices for delicious, nutritious fruit (Genesis 2:8-9). And only one was forbidden. Just one.
Click to expand...

Was Adam permitted to kill other animals and eat them ?
Was Adam permitted to build an idol and worship it ?
Was Adam permitted to rape Eve ?

 

[RAMOSS]

Interesting take.
It is certainly true that some lessons and the insight that comes with them can better be attained through disobedience to authority than adherance to it.
Something parents tend to observe in their own kids as they grow up, now that I think about it...

Well, there is a jewish principle that is someone is ignorant, they are not entirely responsible for their actions. Until such time as Adam and Eve had KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, they were not responsible for their actions.

However, once they had the knowledge, and they were confronted with a wrong doing they did, what did they do? They lied about it. They did not take responsibility for their own actions. That is why they were tossed out, because they did not take responsibility for their own actions.

 

[Rich2018]

Well, there is a jewish principle that is someone is ignorant, they are not entirely responsible for their actions. Until such time as Adam and Eve had KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, they were not responsible for their actions.

However, once they had the knowledge, and they were confronted with a wrong doing they did, what did they do? They lied about it. They did not take responsibility for their own actions. That is why they were tossed out, because they did not take responsibility for their own actions.

So in Israeli law, ignorance of the law ***IS*** a defense ?

 

[RAMOSS]

So in Israeli law, ignorance of the law ***IS*** a defense ?

Not quite. By the time you are an adult you are considered to have reason, and therefore you have knowledge of Good and Evil. An infant or toddler does not Of course, Israel is also a secular state.

 

[Rich2018]

Not quite. By the time you are an adult you are considered to have reason, and therefore you have knowledge of Good and Evil. An infant or toddler does not Of course, Israel is also a secular state.

That is the case in the laws of most every country.

 

[post]

Why did God put a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden?

Some people use this as an argument against God's goodness. But it's actually just the opposite.

Think about it:

God gave Adam and Eve one rule (Genesis 2:16-17). Just one.

They had a plethora of choices for delicious, nutritious fruit (Genesis 2:8-9). And only one was forbidden. Just one.

God created Adam and Eve "very good" (Genesis 1:31) and had fellowship with them (Genesis 3:8-9). So they had no reason for insecurities, concerns, or fears. None. Not one.

But God didn't want robot love any more than you or I would want it.(1)

So He tested their faith.

And man—without a care in a perfect environment, with every reason to trust and obey his loving Father—sinned at the first opportunity, broke the one rule, and broke God's heart.

This event is not an argument against God's goodness, but an argument for it...especially because God immediately began to redeem mankind from his sins.(2)

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https://biblelovenotes.blogspot.com/2016/07/just-one.html?m=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley#Egypt_and_The_Book_of_the_Law:_1904

 

[Rich2018]

What ?

 

[post]

What ?

"...

PLAYBOY: We’re not talking about miracles — just good music. (January, 1981)​

LENNON: When Rodgers worked with Hart and then worked with Hammerstein, do you think he should have stayed with one instead of working with the other? Should Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis have stayed together because I used to like them together? What is this game of doing things because other people want it? The whole Beatle idea was to do what you want, right? To take your own responsibility."

 

[Rich2018]

"...

PLAYBOY: We’re not talking about miracles — just good music.​

LENNON: When Rodgers worked with Hart and then worked with Hammerstein, do you think he should have stayed with one instead of working with the other? Should Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis have stayed together because I used to like them together? What is this game of doing things because other people want it? The whole Beatle idea was to do what you want, right? To take your own responsibility."

Do you have anything resembling a point ?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Context for the uselessness of this thread...

A belief that an arrogant, jealous, untrusting, genocidal, needs to test everyone but knows everything God put a single tree with forbidden fruit in a giant "Garden of Eden" all to test his first created human and a woman made from his rib. Then a talking snake came along, convinced the rib-woman to have a bite, and everything pretty much went to shit after that.

So, we should look at this as an argument for goodness (despite the fact that not long after kicking this guy and his rib-woman out of Eden there was a whole lot of killing going on... mostly by this God of "goodness.")

 

[Overitall]

Was Adam permitted to kill other animals and eat them ?
Was Adam permitted to build an idol and worship it ?
Was Adam permitted to rape Eve ?

The specific sin was disobedience. So it very well could have presented itself via one of those acts.

 

[post]

Context for the uselessness of this thread...

A belief that an arrogant, jealous, untrusting, genocidal, needs to test everyone but knows everything God put a single tree with forbidden fruit in a giant "Garden of Eden" all to test his first created human and a woman made from his rib. Then a talking snake came along, convinced the rib-woman to have a bite, and everything pretty much went to shit after that.

So, we should look at this as an argument for goodness (despite the fact that not long after kicking this guy and his rib-woman out of Eden there was a whole lot of killing going on... mostly by this God of "goodness.")

The foundations for the story,

Hermeticism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"..An alternative account of the fall of man, preserved in Isis the Prophetess to Her Son Horus, is as follows:"

God, having created the universe, then created the divisions, the worlds, and various gods and goddesses, whom he appointed to certain parts of the universe. He then took a mysterious transparent substance, out of which he created human souls. He appointed the souls to the astral region, which is just above the physical region.
He then assigned the souls to create life on Earth. He handed over some of his creative substance to the souls and commanded them to contribute to his creation. The souls then used the substance to create the various animals and forms of physical life. Soon after, the souls began to overstep their boundaries; they succumbed to pride and desired to be equal to the highest gods.
God was displeased and called upon Hermes to create physical bodies that would imprison the souls as a punishment for them. Hermes created human bodies on earth, and God then told the souls of their punishment. God decreed that suffering would await them in the physical world, but he promised them that, if their actions on Earth were worthy of their divine origin, their condition would improve and they would eventually return to the heavenly world. If it did not improve, he would condemn them to repeated reincarnation upon Earth.[61]

 

[Rich2018]

The specific sin was disobedience. So it very well could have presented itself via one of those acts.

Well that covers more than one act doesn't it ?

A bit like saying that people have only one thing to obey, the law.

 

[Daisy]

Well that covers more than one act doesn't it ?

A bit like saying that people have only one thing to obey, the law.

But at that time, the Bible does tell us Jehovah gave them only ONE thing to stay away from and they blew it...

 

[Overitall]

Well that covers more than one act doesn't it ?

A bit like saying that people have only one thing to obey, the law.

Deciding what is good and/or evil was God's role. When Adam and Eve decided on their own they usurped God's authority. That was that "first and great sin" making themselves above God. The same sin that the serpent committed and tempted Eve with.

Genesis 3:5
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

 

[Rich2018]

But at that time, the Bible does tell us Jehovah gave them only ONE thing to stay away from and they blew it...

So:

Was Adam permitted to kill other animals and eat them ?
Was Adam permitted to build an idol and worship it ?
Was Adam permitted to rape Eve ?

 

[Daisy]

So:

Was Adam permitted to kill other animals and eat them ?
Was Adam permitted to build an idol and worship it ?
Was Adam permitted to rape Eve ?

You tell me...if you can...chapter and verse...

 

[Rich2018]

Deciding what is good and/or evil was God's role. When Adam and Eve decided on their own they usurped God's authority. That was that "first and great sin" making themselves above God. The same sin that the serpent committed and tempted Eve with.

Genesis 3:5
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

That covers just about everything except breathing, eating/drinking* and sleeping doesn't it ?

Except from one tree (which God knew they would anyway)

If Adam had decided to make a daisy-chain, that would have been sin according to you.

 

[Rich2018]

You tell me...if you can...chapter and verse...

I don't see any such instruction, so does that mean Adam was permitted to rape Eve ?