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Trump supporters are easily fooled by smoke and mirrors and he provides them in abundance.
"We're spending more money than ever, so we've got to raise taxes on lower income Americans (via tariffs)!"Trump supporters are easily fooled by smoke and mirrors and he provides them in abundance.
Uh, hello? How does agreeing with me disprove what I'm saying?Fact, interest rates under Obama remained under 1% even after the economy recovered from the "Great Recession".
Fact, companies are going out of business because they can't pay the interest on their debt.
Uh, hello? How does agreeing with me disprove what I'm saying?
Here's the Fed Overnight Rates for the past several decades. Notice how rates were in the 5% range for most of the 90s; how they went back up to 5% after the 2000 recession; how the Fed was inching them back up in 2019.
The only reason for those near-zero rates is because:
- In 2008, Republicans thwarted fiscal stimulus, so the Fed had to pull out all the stops.
- The COVID crash was so bad that the Fed immediately did everything it could.
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1% is not "normal." And again, the Fed kept those rates low far, far too long.
No, that's not a "fact." It's an egregiously and self-servingly selective explanation.
Fact! companies are also going out of business because tariffs are increasing their prices, causing uncertainty, and softening consumer demand.
For example, Del Monte imports steel for its cans; Dear Leader's tariffs increased the cost of that steel by 50%.
Or: Numerous US alcohol producers are suffering due to retaliation for Trumpie Tariffs. Sales of American spirits in Canada dropped 66% this year, exclusively due to reactions to the tariffs. There's no question that is hurting US firms.
We should also note there are lots of otherwise normal factors too, such as demand for products falling.
Why aren't you acknowledging that at all?
An "emotional need" seems to be yours. Emotionally, you NEED the economy to tank and Trump to fail, because you just hate him so much that any other outcome would be impossible for you to figure out how to (emotionally) handle. And that need seems to be so great in you - that no matter what happens with the economy - you'll say (and maybe even convince yourself) it's bad news.Bankruptcies are up, layoffs are up, jobs are down and CEO's are pointing to tariffs and economic uncertainty cause by a lack of clarity of WH economic policy as the reason. The firing of the head of the BLS and the constant threats against the Fed just adds to the uncertainty. Why is is so hard to look at all the facts and recognize that these ideas of Trump's may not be working out so well? I can't figure out whether it is an emotional need to defend and protect Trump or an equally emotional need to never agree with anyone on the left. If this was Biden the right would be claiming the economic sky was falling and that's the truth.
An "emotional need" seems to be yours. Emotionally, you NEED the economy to tank and Trump to fail, because you just hate him so much that any other outcome would be impossible for you to figure out how to (emotionally) handle. And that need seems to be so great in you - that no matter what happens with the economy - you'll say (and maybe even convince yourself) it's bad news.
OMG, I can't stop laughing at this sentence. Nothing at all crazy or emotional about this sentence.I want the economy to thrive and the only way that happens is if Trump fails.
It's neither emotional nor crazy, it's quite rational . The opinion of most economists, other than Trump loyalists, is that the economy of the US and her major trading partners will not thrive under Trump's economic policies. So he needs to fail in his personal goals so economies can flourish as they did pre Trump.OMG, I can't stop laughing at this sentence. Nothing at all crazy or emotional about this sentence.![]()
An "emotional need" seems to be yours. Emotionally, you NEED the economy to tank and Trump to fail, because you just hate him so much that any other outcome would be impossible for you to figure out how to (emotionally) handle. And that need seems to be so great in you - that no matter what happens with the economy - you'll say (and maybe even convince yourself) it's bad news.