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I agree with the judge that parents, not the government, should be the ones controlling what their kids watch on TV, but it is not the place of a judge to overturn such anti-porn laws on the constitutionally illiterate notion that someone's 1st Amendment right to dissent from the government is being violated.
This should've been voted on by the people in a referendum, not arbitrarily overturned by an unaccountable, unelected judicial activist.
Judge throws out Internet blocking law - Security - MSNBC.com
A person's contitutional rights do not end because other people decide to have children. The responsibility of children is in the hands of the parents. If they do not want their children exposed to something like internet pornography, then get a block. It is not up to internet porn providers to raise other people's kids.
The problem with using credit cards as proof of adulthood is what if an adult who wants to see internet porn does not have a credit card? Should they be denied seeing internet porn because of a law requiring verification when the simple answer is for parents to take control of their own children's upbringing?
I have no problem with helping parents have the tools they need to raise their kids however they want, but if parents can't regulate what their kids see on the internet then maybe those parents shouldn't provide internet access to their kids.jallman said:You do realize that you are advocating lessening controls that safeguard children in exchange for "freedom to view porn', right? :roll:
There is no constitutional protection that guarantees easy access to pornography. No one's rights are being abridged because sites that display porn require proof of age. Can a child enter a porn store freely without showing proof of age? No. The internet should be no different. Porn is porn.
I have no problem with helping parents have the tools they need to raise their kids however they want, but if parents can't regulate what their kids see on the internet then maybe those parents shouldn't provide internet access to their kids.
You do realize that you are advocating lessening controls that safeguard children in exchange for "freedom to view porn', right? :roll:
There is no constitutional protection that guarantees easy access to pornography. No one's rights are being abridged because sites that display porn require proof of age. Can a child enter a porn store freely without showing proof of age? No. The internet should be no different. Porn is porn.
Yes, I am well aware of what I am advocating and I stand by it. There is a constitutional protection with regard to association and the Supreme Court has determined that these laws which "protect" children from internet porn are unconstitutional. I agree with them.
There is a big difference with porn stores: a parent cannot put a block on them, they can block websites.
No one's rights are abridged because of showing proof of age on the internet?
What about people who have no proof of age?
What about the lack of a credit card example I provided?
The world is not a parent's babysitter.
Parents are solely responsible for their own children's upbringing
and as I have stated numerous times on this site: "People's rights do not end because other people decide to have children."
I realize that is difficult to understand because we have been conditioned to believe otherwise.
This reminds me of a story my supervisor told me a while back. He has neighbors who are a same-sex couple. That couple had pool parties in their yard that my supervisor saw as inappropriate for his children to see. So what did he do? Did he expect the neighbors to stop their parties because he had children? Did he want a law passed to block his neighbors from pool parties? No. He built a fence. He recognized that what he wanted his children to see or not to see was his responsibilty.
I find the SCOTUS to be in error as the state has a vested interest in maintaining a standard of social responsibility. Children, whether you like it or not, are a social responsibility as well as personal responsibility. The more personal liberty a society gives, the more social responsibility must be accepted by every member of that society. You have the freedom to view porn. You do not have the freedom to access that porn at the expense of a parent's rights to restrict their children. The social norm is that porn is not acceptable for children. The social responsibility you accept in retaining social liberty in this case is offering proof of age to view porn. It's really not a difficult concept.
There is no difference. If a site delivers porn in exchange for money, then they have a responsibility to uphold proof verification standards just like any other adult entertainment enterprise. If the site delivers porn for free, then the site is under the same restrictions and penalties that you or I would be by delivering porn directly into the hands of a minor. Keep in mind that home is not the only place with internet access.
No, no one's rights are being abridged by showing proof of age to view porn. There is no constitutional guarantee or right that grants unrestricted access to pornography.
I would suggest that they learn the meaning of social responsibility...personal liberties are being hindered by their lack of motivation to have proper id. I do not see you so concerned with their inability to purchase hard copy porn with lack of the same proof of age.
It is irrelevant for the same reason that lack of credit card can hinder you from shopping at non-porn sites on-line. There is no Constitutional guarantee that a vendor or merchant accept your form of payment or verification. They name the price for their services and what form that price will be rendered in. Totally irrelevant unless you are ready to take on Amazon.com for not taking COD for delivering books.
Completely untrue. Society is responsible to protect its weakest members. Our society sees adult materials as being age sensitive. That is just a fact you are going to learn to live with or you will be a very disgruntled citizen for a very long time.
State it until you are blue in the face but it won't change the fact that no one's rights are being abridged or ended with laws requiring proof of age to view internet porn. There is no Constitutional guarantee that grants unrestricted access to internet pornography.
It is difficult to understand because it is socially dysfunctional.
I commend your supervisor for not being litigious. However, if the goings on in his neighbor's yard were obscene or indecent, then the liability was on his neighbors to build the fence...not him.
I feel like I am beating a dead horse. lol
Porn is socially dysfunctional? I see it as a healthy release and expression. As a matter of fact, I do not know of anyone who has not watched porn. So if a majority of the members of society have seen porn, then how could it be considered "socially dysfunctional?" I've seen it, you've seen it. Your definition of what is not social acceptablity does not fit here.
We've been down this road before, but I think we are probably a bit more versed in the topics since our last run-in over a similar topic. I would like to continue this discussion, if you have continued interest, at length over the next few days. In all honesty, this evening I am a bit tired and ready to go home, so I couldn't give you the response you deserve.
So you blame the judge for being an activist judge, and not the lawmakers for making a stupid law?
I agree with you on this one. The problem here is who is going to determine what is detrimental to kids. That is a HUGE gray area, and could include politics which someone does not like. Therefore, parents ARE the best control in this case.
However, for child porn, or other deviant matter, that is on the internet, then we need to use existing law, and throw the creeps in jail for ....... How does forever sound?
A person's contitutional rights do not end because other people decide to have children.
I didn't say I supported the law.
Porn is obviously a candidate, but plenty of other content is harmful. The internet is filled with swearing, violence, racism and other nasty things.
Apparently, that's not exactly the issue:I don't see why it's a problem for porn sites to require credit cards as proof of ID. On the other hand if more than porn is being targeted then I could understand the complaint.
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