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Gerrymandering - the fundamental key to progressiveism. If you can't beat em' draw a line.
how does a total national vote count point to state level gerrymandering?
House seats are based on population and those that get the most votes would normally win, except for gerrymandering.
Take a look at this Florida District, one of the ones being thrown out.
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It has to be political given the issue is political election districts,
they are decided by politicians,
put in place by the political process.
I dont see how to do it otherwise. Take an island with 50% of each party, and 25% minority. How do you create two fair districts?
-two squares would ensure a crapshoot on parties and no minority ever being able to win
-a district with mostly one party in each district would ensure each party had representation
-a district with the entire minority in one district would ensure minority representation
Each one is fair depending on your viewpoint. And people will naturally gravitate to communities who agree with them. Which why in florida the panhandle is conservative, and the south is liberal and the center is a mix
Surely you are joking? The ones that are most into gerrymandering are the right-wing conservatives who can't win a race unless they draw wacky boundaries.
Good, I think when it comes to redistricting a simple rule should apply. Counties should remain whole as much as possible. If Florida has 27 congressional districts, no more than 14 counties should have to be divided between districts. All the rest should be able to remain whole.
Damn logic. Clearly you do not work for the government.
Utter nonsense. Gerrymandering is one of the truly bipartisan acts out there. Every one does it and state otherwise is utter partisan hackery.
Surely you are joking? The ones that are most into gerrymandering are the right-wing conservatives who can't win a race unless they draw wacky boundaries.
Why? The whole point is it should not be political but administrative. Use the county lines as districts, just as you use state lines for Senators. The county lines usually never change do they?
It dont have to be....
Ultimately yes as everything else, but the process can be as unpolitical as you want it.
Split the island in 2 depending on where the population is. Pretty simple. If the population is centered in a major city, then split the city down the middle. It is pretty simple.
And? How is that the fault of the districting? The problem is two big parties and the inability for other parties to get in.
That will happen naturally. For example in Denmark everyone knows that certain districts of Copenhagen will most likely vote left, and other areas in the suburbs will vote right. You cant avoid having certain districts vote for one party or another, but what you can avoid is specifically designing those districts so they will always vote for one party or another. Now nothing is ever set in stone as people change their views over time.
Why do "minorities" need representation? I understand it was a problem in the 1960s but now? I thought your country was over its racist past and even if it aint, then getting rid of "minority" districts is the way forward. Some areas will automatically be minority districts, where others wont.. minorities tend to keep together.. even though people tend to deny this on these boards.
Sorry I do not buy that. The political leaning of the area in question is often decided by economics and in the case of the US.. sadly still race. For example, as I pointed out in Copenhagen. The areas that vote left, are the "poorer" traditionally worker class areas. The areas that vote right, are traditionally middle and upper class pro Royalty areas. The districts were not created to favor these populations, as our districts are based on population and geographic criteria. That is why the rural districts tend to vote center right, but the cities/larger towns tend to vote center left. It is just how it is. But what we do is use a commission based on all the political parties plus bureaucrats to maintain the district boundaries and so on. No one party can "build its own" district.
Skipped all the split quotes. I hate them. Races are the ones demanding gerrymandering. This ruling was partly because a black representative had come to an agreement with republican leadership to carve out her district to ensure a black person was represented in congress.
46 years with the government, 20 years active duty military, another 26 working for the army as a DA civilian. But never as a politician. I hope this does not lower your esteem or doom my logic?
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That may be, and in a way knowing how racist the US can be... I understand it.. but both parties and the GOP especially, have abused the system to such a degree that it has gone beyond giving a voice to minorities and is being used to secure future political power.. and that is just wrong. Hence take out the political aspect in districting.
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Gerrymandering - the fundamental key to progressiveism. If you can't beat em' draw a line.
Term limits, it eliminates the need for it, not entirely but largely.I dont really see how you do it any different. Whats fair?
Sooooo, we all agree that this is a good thing, right?
Term limits, it eliminates the need for it, not entirely but largely.
I agree. 2 terms for Senators, and 5 terms for Representatives.Term limits, it eliminates the need for it, not entirely but largely.
I agree. 2 terms for Senators, and 5 terms for Representatives.
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