• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Judge says she has ‘preliminary intent’ to appoint special master to oversee Mar-a-Lago search review

Chomsky

Social Democrat
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 28, 2015
Messages
104,974
Reaction score
95,766
Location
Third Coast
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
CNN

A federal judge scheduled a hearing for Thursday to consider former President Donald Trump’s request for a “special master” to oversee the FBI’s review of evidence seized at Mar-a-Lago.

In doing so, the court put the parties on notice that she had a “preliminary intent” to appoint the special master, a third-party attorney who would filter out privileged material seized in the search.

--

Well! I may have gotten this one wrong!

After seeing Trump's original filing in this matter last week, I thought the judge would laugh it out of court!

Apparently last Monday, the judge asked for additional clarification & additional supporting evidence from the Trump team. And, it looks as though she may have gotten it!

If a Special Master is appointed, it may be a big win for Trump & the GOP, as this adds a huge delay to the case including a delay in the possibility of filing charges. I'm thinking this might get them clear of the mid-terms, and get the case out of the media.

We'll find out Thursday . . .
 


--

Well! I may have gotten this one wrong!

After seeing Trump's original filing in this matter last week, I thought the judge would laugh it out of court!

What in your opinion was wrong with the filing? :unsure:

Apparently last Monday, the judge asked for additional clarification & additional supporting evidence from the Trump team. And, it looks as though she may have gotten it!

I for one am glad to see this.

If a Special Master is appointed,

Something that I not only hope for, but also may serve to clear the air on both sides of the issue.

...it may be a big win for Trump & the GOP, as this adds a huge delay to the case including a delay in the possibility of filing charges. I'm thinking this might get them clear of the mid-terms, and get the case out of the media.

Big win? Perhaps. But IMO it would only be a "big win" if the additional information shows that there was little factual basis of alleged wrongdoing, and therefore no need for the raid-style approach. Otherwise of the special master leave most of the redactions without giving us more "clues," we'd remain at square one.
 
Last edited:
What in your opinion was wrong with the filing? :unsure:



I for one am glad to see this.



Something that I not only hope for, but also may serve to clear the air on both sides of the issue.
I sure hope Inna Yaschyshyn is appointed special master.

That would be ideal.

MAGA.
 
What in your opinion was wrong with the filing? :unsure:



I for one am glad to see this.



Something that I not only hope for, but also may serve to clear the air on both sides of the issue.



Big win? Perhaps. But IMO it would only be a "big win" if the additional information shows that there was little factual basis of alleged wrongdoing, and therefore no need for the raid-style approach. Otherwise of the special master leave most of the redactions without giving us more "clues," we'd remain at square one.
I agree.

I dont like Trump, but that raid was fishy since the DOJ refuses to allow the public to see the full, uncensored warrant. We need to know the truth if there was politics behind this.
 
What in your opinion was wrong with the filing? :unsure:

That the defendant has not even been served..


I for one am glad to see this.



Something that I not only hope for, but also may serve to clear the air on both sides of the issue.

What issue do you believe a special master would “clear the air”?


Big win? Perhaps. But IMO it would only be a "big win" if the additional information shows that there was little factual basis of alleged wrongdoing, and therefore no need for the raid-style approach. Otherwise of the special master leave most of the redactions without giving us more "clues," we'd remain at square one.

The factual basis for the warrant is not within the scope of a special master.
 
Big win? Perhaps. But IMO it would only be a "big win" if the additional information shows that there was little factual basis of alleged wrongdoing, and therefore no need for the raid-style approach. Otherwise of the special master leave most of the redactions without giving us more "clues," we'd remain at square one.
The special master has nothing to do with the affidavit. All they do is go through the documents and weed out the personal stuff or attorney privileged stuff.

There won't be any executive privileged stuff because he's no longer the executive. It's all hard paper. No electronics that we know of. Won't take all that long.
A week or two at most. Just another typical Trump delay tactic, because in the end, he'll still have a boatload of documents he wasn't supposed to have.
 

Federal District Court Judge Aileen Cannon for the Florida Southern District has issued an order in response to FPOTUS request for the appointment of a Special Master. The Judge will determine if a Special Master is needful and what the duties of the Special Master will be.

I’ve stated publicly that I support the idea of appointment of a Special Master that would be able to go through the materials gathered on August 8th and report their findings to the Judge to then make a determination on disposition.

The order requests each party to submit suggested duties and responsibilities for the charge for the Special Master if one is appointed.

If I were the DOJ, I would not oppose the appointment of the Special Master on the Condition that the individual currently holds the required security clearance to view the materials.

As to the suggested charges for the Special Master:

#1 Said Special Master to provide an initial response to the Judge within 14 calendar days of all materials gathered on August 8th.

#2 Documents to be assigned one of five possible statuses:

  • Classified Documents - And the respective classification. Government property to be retain.
  • Presidential Records - in accordance with the definition contained in the Presidential Records Act of 1978.** Government property to be retain.
  • Attorney Client Privileged - In accordance with federal standards which do qualify for exclusion. Privileged documents to be returned and not used for further investigation.
  • Attorney Client Privileged - In accordance with federal standards which do not qualify for exclusion. (For example those contributing to the commission of a crime or which include non attorney client addressees.) Retained as outside the attorney client exemption, retained by the court and subject to further litigation.
  • Personal Records - in accordance with the definition contained in the Presidential Records Act of 1978.*** Personal property to be returned.
WW
.
.
.

PRA of 1978:
“Documentary material” means all books, correspondence, memoranda, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio and visual records, or other electronic or mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form.

Presidential Records:
"The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. "

Personal Records:
“The term “personal records” means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.”
 
Think in terms of 11th Dimensional Chess.

FPOTUS asks that the search warrant and spot inventory be publicly release. Knowing the DOJ would not want it release. Then FPOTUS can rally against the process because it’s being kept sealed. DOJ pulled his teeth on that one by releasing the search warrant and inventory.

FPOTUS asks that the affidavit be released. The DOJ did oppose it in total, but a redacted version was released. The FPOTUS would have ■■■■ a brick of the full affidavit had been released.

So in the case of a Special Master. Support it, out of deference to someone that once occupied the Oval Office in the interest of fairness by having a disinterested 3rd party review and classify the materials by type. Presidential Records WILL NOT be returned. Classified documents WILL NOT be returned. Attorney Client Privilege meeting the rules will be returned, but claimed “attorney client privilege” which do not meet the criteria WILL NOT be returned. Personal Records (such as notes for a diary or journal) not documenting obstruction or the further commission of a crime WILL be returned. Personal Records (such as notes for a diary or journal) documenting obstruction or the further commission of a crime WILL NOT be returned. The vast majority of documents will be released for further processing and investigation.

Given (my suggested) 14 calendar days for the Special Master to catalog the boxes taken on August 8th it costs very little in terms of time, while pulling the teeth of the FPOTUS and his team.

(REMEMBER: This is only regarding boxes retrieved on August 8th. It will have no impact on boxes FPOTUS turned over in February or June. The DOJ can continue to investigate timelines, transportation, communications, and access with impunity as they are not related to the August 8th confiscation. 20 boxes, 1/2 day per box is 10 days. So call it 14 days to allow for report writing.)

11th Dimensional chess.

WW
 
I agree.

I dont like Trump, but that raid was fishy since the DOJ refuses to allow the public to see the full, uncensored warrant. We need to know the truth if there was politics behind this.
The only thing redacted on the search warrant is agent names

 
The special master has nothing to do with the affidavit. All they do is go through the documents and weed out the personal stuff or attorney privileged stuff.

There won't be any executive privileged stuff because he's no longer the executive. It's all hard paper. No electronics that we know of. Won't take all that long.
A week or two at most. Just another typical Trump delay tactic, because in the end, he'll still have a boatload of documents he wasn't supposed to have.
My hope is that this special master has a large team to speed this process up.
 
My hope is that this special master has a large team to speed this process up.

The Special Master would only be involved with the materials collected on August 8th. The other stuff Trump - ah - voluntarily turned would are not included.

20 boxes. 1 box per 1/2 day = 10 days. Should be very easy for 1 person to report back to the Judge in no more than 14 days. If the Special Master is allowed a staff, hell that will make it even faster.

The Judge should not allow FPOTUS to use this as a stalling tactic.

WW
 
Last edited:
None of that is within the scope of a special master.
Whether it is or it isnt, this is a step in the right direction.
The only thing redacted on the search warrant is agent names


11 pages totally blacked out, plus 13 more heavily redacted pages were are all about agent names? I find that very hard to believe.
 
11 pages totally blacked out, plus 13 more heavily redacted pages were are all about agent names? I find that very hard to believe.
You must be referring to the affidavit, not the warrant.

I guess it sucks for Trump that he can't figure out who to send his red hats after quite yet.
 
You must be referring to the affidavit, not the warrant.

I guess it sucks for Trump that he can't figure out who to send his red hats after quite yet.
We're talking about redactions to begin with, so your moronic "gotcha" is a total fail, as is all your posts.
 
We're talking about redactions to begin with, so your moronic "gotcha" is a total fail, as is all your posts.
I guess until you guys figure out who to send the red hats after, you are just going to have to keep flailing and grumbling.

man-holding-tiny-violin-close-up-of-hands-picture-id80087958
 
I agree.

I dont like Trump, but that raid was fishy since the DOJ refuses to allow the public to see the full, uncensored warrant. We need to know the truth if there was politics behind this.
The FBI are under no obligation to show you anything while an investigation is ongoing. You're asking a gambler to show you his hand.
 
I guess until you guys figure out who to send the red hats after, you are just going to have to keep flailing and grumbling.

man-holding-tiny-violin-close-up-of-hands-picture-id80087958
Aww, youre scared of Trump. We get it.

The FBI are under no obligation to show you anything while an investigation is ongoing. You're asking a gambler to show you his hand.
The court can compel the DOJ to show us more, which is what this special master is about. Try and keep up.
 
The court can compel the DOJ to show us more, which is what this special master is about. Try and keep up.

No, the Special Master is not about the DOJ removing more redactions from the affidavit that was released.

The Special Master is about going through the 20 boxes collected during the execution of the MAL search warrant, and segregating documents into various categories (such as Presidential Records, Classified Documents, Attorney Client Documents, Personal Notes) and making a recommendation to the Judge who will determine what documents (if any) are returned and what documents are retained by the FBI (if any).

The Special Master findings will be returned under seal and may or may not be released.

WW
 
Aww, youre scared of Trump. We get it.
Yes, fascism is a scary thing.
The court can compel the DOJ to show us more, which is what this special master is about. Try and keep up.
Special masters are appointed around evidentiary questions, not procedural ones.

Sorry, the red hats will have to wait to find out who to go after.
 
No, the Special Master is not about the DOJ removing more redactions from the affidavit that was released.

The Special Master is about going through the 20 boxes collected during the execution of the MAL search warrant, and segregating documents into various categories (such as Presidential Records, Classified Documents, Attorney Client Documents, Personal Notes) and making a recommendation to the Judge who will determine what documents (if any) are returned and what documents are retained by the FBI (if any).

The Special Master findings will be returned under seal and may or may not be released.

WW

What is the likelihood that the DOJ/FBI filter team has not already done this? Would this just be double checking their work?
 
Aww, youre scared of Trump. We get it.


The court can compel the DOJ to show us more, which is what this special master is about. Try and keep up.

Bullshit... Trump isn't even ASKING for that in the motion he filed... By statute, BOTH side must agree on the duties of the special master...
 
What is the likelihood that the DOJ/FBI filter team has not already done this? Would this just be double checking their work?

Very high. Judge Cannon ordered that the DOJ response include item by item results of the Filter Team and Privilege Review team status (if any) of items already reviewed.

As a result this should shorten the Special Masters time since the presorting will be available to him/her.

WW
 
It is a delay tactic, and a clever one for two reasons. It likely extends things beyond the midterms and it adds more politics to the matter depending on what a "Special Master" comes back with.
 
Back
Top Bottom