Do you believe it is a single tax rate or a single regulation or a single rule that drives business away and the people as well? I left California because I could see how dangerous it was to succeed there.Earlier in this thread I provided a great amount of verifiable evidence showing that while the TAX RATE in Detroit is high the actual tax paid is rather low because the homes are valued at such low levels compared to the suburbs around it. Because of that reality, Detroiters who do move to the suburbs as you suggest - voting with their feet - are almost always voting themselves a TAX INCREASE in doing so. One can get a three bedroom home in Detroit for under $10,000.00. There are some available for as little as $2,500.00 and that is an intact home. Just cross the line into Dearborn or Southfield and you will expect to many many times that for the same size home. Because you are now paying five to ten times as much for the home, even if your tax rate is half of that in the city, you still end up paying a great deal more in taxes due to the home value differences.
You are right that people did vote with their feet by leaving Detroit. However, it had precious little to do with liberalism or taxation since they normally moved to Wayne County suburbs where the people in charge were also Democrats and the taxes ended up even more than they were paying.
Isn't it really George Bush's fault?The fact of the matter is Coleman Young allowed Detroit's government to become corrupted during his 30+ years in office. The city council started funneling money to the point where it seemed to magically disappear. The police department became corrupt. The school board became corrupt. It isn't a coincidence that all this happened while he was in office. Yes, it became worse after he was out, but it all started with him. He only managed to stay in office that long because he had cronies that would target most of the poor people by telling them their houses would be torn down if they didn't vote for him.
Wouldn't you say that about anyone who still supports and defends the Constitution?
Do you believe it is a single tax rate or a single regulation or a single rule that drives business away and the people as well? I left California because I could see how dangerous it was to succeed there.
I know that you will go out of your way to find anything you can claim as evidence. It is in your nature to excuse all of the Left's excesses.
And after admitting that - it shows that even you have owned up to your admiration of and support for intellectual fraud. In all my years I have never seen anybody say that context is not important.
But congratulations on admitting what you are really doing here. At least now its out in the open for all to see.
For those who want to place blame on others - look at the year 1969 and the mayoral race for your answers.
That was the last major election in Detroit where white voters still represented the majority who turned out on election day. The terrible 67 riots were close in the rear view mirror and white families were leaving in droves. Two very fine men ended up in the general election - Roman Gribbs and Richard H. Austin. Basically almost all the whites voted for Gribbs because he was white while blacks did the same for Austin. Gribbs won and ended up without much public support as his voters continued to leave and proved ineffective.
Austin was a CPA and a whiz with numbers. He was professional through and through and had the complete opposite personality of the combative and abrasive Coleman Young. He was a gentleman and a unifier who did not pander to racial agendas knowing they were divisive.
While Austin lost, he then ran for Michigan Secretary of State - a position he won and held for the next 24 years doing an excellent job reforming a terrible state department which had been neglected for decades. You will find few in Michigan who do not praise Richard Austin for his excellent work.
The sad reality is that had more whites voted for Austin that year, the history of Detroit may be very very different. He would have brought his professional expertise to the mayors office and the rcial divisiveness of the Young administration may never have happened with a long Austin tenure in city hall. It truly could have been a historic WHAT IF moment for the city.
More dishonesty on your part. I said that in this case we are discussing that "the context doesn't really matter" because you tried to blame another poster for not using context. He nailed it.. You've changed that to "In all my years I have never seen anybody say that context is not important", which any fair minded person can see is not what I said at all.
Your entire post was ridiculous and I countered those miserable little excuses you made for the half century of liberal corruption in Detroit. Of curse you zeroed in on that one minor part so you could hope to ignore the rest. This you did, but only because you lack the balls to respond to the remainder.
The context really doesn't matter.
Yes, it's a sad thing when politicians pander to Black voters and that Black voters would respond the way they are directed. But it is happening now and few speak out against it.
Not that it matters but I don't see it.As I strongly do support and defend the Constitution that is a silly thing to say to me.
You will find scraps of evidence that appeal to you. We all do it. You know that you do. I know that you do as well. Not that it matters. Detroit will still be bankrupt because of liberals inciting people to liberalism. Liberal policies at the city, state and federal level brought down Detroit earlier than some other cities but many are going to fall unless we can defeat liberal policies.I guess that would depend on the individual case. For example, for some people having their job relocated may be the reason.
I would suspect that for many others it is a combination of things which motivate them to relocate.
I must say that I am a bit taken aback at your snide remark attacking me for looking for and finding evidence. I have never come across anyone in debate who views evidence as a negative to be criticized. Far too many people on these forums ignore it altogether instead opting for their own beliefs or pompous pontifications insted of verifiable evidence. Perhaps your contempt is part of that trend?
You said context did not matter.
If you claim that the poster in question "nailed it" please do the following:
1- reproduce my post that was the target of the other poster
2- reproduce his post in which you claim he "nailed it"
3- tell us what was wrong in my post and where the other poster found inaccuracies
4- tell us why that constitutes "nailing it"
This is called backing up your claims. I am eager to see you do it instead of merely pontificating against people you perceive as your political enemies.
Of course, I highly doubt you will do this.
You will find scraps of evidence that appeal to you. We all do it. You know that you do. I know that you do as well. Not that it matters. Detroit will still be bankrupt because of liberals inciting people to liberalism. Liberal policies at the city, state and federal level brought down Detroit earlier than some other cities but many are going to fall unless we can defeat liberal policies.
It didn't matter. But of you feel the context did matter in this case then add the whatever context you feel was missing and we can look at it.
I'm not going to bother explaining that to you again.
If that is what you took away from that history lesson you have intentional blinders over your eyes. The lesson 1969 was clear that BOTH RACES in the Detroit election went for the candidate of their race.
Got that?
In addition to providing funds for Primary challenges to the SQRLs (status quo republican losers) I will also join my local Team Party group.Middle America must wake up and the Tea Party can provide that incentive. The unscrupulous Left knows this, which is why they will say and do anything they can to attack the them.
don't we owe the people who worked all their life, a pension? or do we give them a iou?
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