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Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump

Athanasius68 said:
He was more concerned about the authority and juristiction of Mueller to investigate and prosecute Manafort.
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Yes, just what I said. He doesn't seem to care about the crimes Manafort was accused of. He seems more concerned with the politics of the Mueller investigation.

Are you at all concerned with the Manafort crimes, assuming he is tried and found guilty? I am. You would think this judge would be, too. But it appears he's only interested in the politics.

In fact, he isn't concerned about the Manafort crimes at all. I should be able to make that proclamation, right? He decided he knew what was in the head of the prosecutor.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Aye-- consistent with the regs governing that choice.
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Look up the regulations for special counsels, they allow for expanded jurisdictions.

Rosenstein gave Mueller the authority, end of story.
 
MovingPictures said:
Exactly.

The judge simply doesn't like that information relating to Trump that could be used in an impeachment referral as a result of the case in his courtroom.

He's a Reaganite, it's not a shock.
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I'm a Reaganite too, but I'm not a political hypocrite.

The judge has earned his right to opine. But he needs to get down to business. I didn't see any indication on Friday that he is interested in what Manafort was accused of doing - just what he has decided other people *think*. Maybe he's a mind reader. I'm not.

I think they should indulge him and send the Manafort case to the other court. Manafort won't get a plea deal there. If I were Manafort, I'd want this case right where it is.

And it sure as hell seems from his comments that this judge is more concerned with Trump's fate than he is the crimes Manafort is accused of. Those were some odd comments on Friday.
 

From you?


:lamo:lamo
 
MovingPictures said:
Look up the regulations for special counsels, they allow for expanded jurisdictions.

Rosenstein gave Mueller the authority, end of story.
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Aye-- and Ellis was pointing out the indictments have nothing to with Russia interfering with the election.
 
Fearandloathing said:
From you?


:lamo:lamo
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:kissass

Another comment from a poster with a severe case of TDS that couldn't civilly refute my statement but rather went into full BS personal mode.
 
Nothing much would change if the EDOV handles the case.

They are federal investigators that will utilize FBI agents to get what they work. Since the SC also works as a de facto US attorney, they can still work in coordination.

All this would do is drag the case out, which is exactly what the GOP/Trump shouldn't want, as it will influence the midterms.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Aye-- and Ellis was pointing out the indictments have nothing to with Russia interfering with the election.
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Mueller was given the authority to handle the matter, so no cigar.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Aye-- and Ellis was pointing out the indictments have nothing to with Russia interfering with the election.
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The case has already been tried?

Monica Lewinsky's dress had nothing to do with Whitewater. But we all got to hear about it.

No, what Ellis was "pointing out" was his opinion on the agenda of the prosecutor. That was merely an opinion - not a commentary on Russian interference. And if it turns out that Manafort's actions did, in fact, enable the Russians to interfere in our elections, or at least try to help them, then what?

You don't know what the indictments had to do with when it comes to Russian interference. That isn't what the indictments are about.
 

That isnt his job. Manafort, after all, comes before him as an innocent man. Its up to the government to prove otherwise.
 

I think it already has influenced the midterms. I know Trump and his loyal band of followers have been anxious to destroy the GOP. They are succeeding admirably.
 

Mueller was tasked to investigate Russian interference.
 
Athanasius68 said:
That isnt his job. Manafort, after all, comes before him as an innocent man. Its up to the government to prove otherwise.
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Which they have done very well.
 
Athanasius68 said:
That isnt his job. Manafort, after all, comes before him as an innocent man. Its up to the government to prove otherwise.
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You make a lot of posts that don't make sense. I don't think anyone in this thread has argued that Manafort comes before the judge as a guilty man. Shockingly, it appears that everyone in this thread knows how the judicial system works. Even I do - that's why I used the words "accused of".

His job is to preside over the trial of Manafort, not keep the special counsel in check or opine on what anyone's agenda is. Do you know how the judicial system works?
 
Athanasius68 said:
Mueller was tasked to investigate Russian interference.
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I'm curious - do you have a quota of obvious posts to make today? Or do you just want to repeat something I've said in this thread, repeatedly - Mueller was tasked to investigate Russian interference. Maybe you liked the words so much when I used them that you wanted to say it again.

Ellis wasn't tasked with managing the Russian interference investigation.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Bye bye mr judge.

Anyone who would trust his decision in the future is either a crook or a fool or both.

Axe this ****
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What does Bye bye mr judge mean? He is a federal judge with life tenure!

United States federal judges have life tenure once appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.
 

If the prosecution is valid.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
What does Bye bye mr judge mean? He is a federal judge with life tenure!

United States federal judges have life tenure once appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.
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Not that he will be, but a federal judge can be removed from office by impeachment.
 

Sometimes its neccessary to point out.
 

Again, the purpose of the pre-trial hearing on Friday was to hear arguments on Manafort's motion. It was not supposed to deal with anything else. There wee some odd comments, and the judge didn't buy them. This should have been much easier than the prosecution made it.

I agree -- they should kick the case to a 'normal' prosecutor. Of course, Mueller could quickly run out of suspects.
 

I have no idea what they think.
 
tres borrachos said:
No, actually it isn't, because nobody in this thread posted anything different.
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As we all agree that Manafort indictment have nothing to do with the 2016 election, it gratifying to know we also all agree that Ellis questions were spot on and reasonable.
 
Athanasius68 said:
As we all agree that Manafort indictment have nothing to do with the 2016 election, it gratifying to know we also all agree that Ellis questions were spot on and reasonable.
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I can't agree to any such thing. I have no idea what Manafort did, and nether do you. Unless you are Robert Mueller or one of his investigators.

I also never said Ellis' questions were "spot on and reasonable". So I'm not sure who "we all" agree with you mean. Perhaps you're confusing me with a Trump devotee.

Do you always make dishonest posts, or have I just not noticed it before?
 
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