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Judge Howell really hit the nail on the head in declaring that blatantly unconstitutional EO what it is (1 Viewer)

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No American President has ever before issued executive orders like the one at issue in this lawsuit targeting a prominent law firm … but, in purpose and effect, this action draws from a playbook as old as Shakespeare, who penned the phrase: “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.” HENRY VI, PART 2, act 4, sc. 2, l. 75. When Shakespeare’s character, a rebel leader intent on becoming king, see id. l. 74, hears this suggestion, he promptly incorporates this tactic as part of his plan to assume power, leading in the same scene to the rebel leader demanding “[a]way with him,” referring to an educated clerk, who “can make obligations and write court hand,” id. l. 90, 106. Eliminating lawyers as the guardians of the rule of law removes a major impediment to the path to more power. See Walters v. Nat’l Ass’n of Radiation Survivors, 473 U.S. 305, 371 n.24 (1985) (Stevens, J., dissenting) (explaining the import of the same Shakespearean statement to be “that disposing of lawyers is a step in the direction of a totalitarian form of government”).

The importance of independent lawyers to ensuring the American judicial system’s fair and impartial administration of justice has been recognized in this country since its founding era. In 1770, John Adams made the singularly unpopular decision to represent eight British soldiers charged with murder for their roles in the Boston Massacre and “claimed later to have suffered the loss of more than half his practice.” “I had no hesitation,” he explained... When the Bill of Rights was ratified, these principles were codified into the Constitution: The Sixth Amendment secured the right, in “all criminal prosecutions,” to “have the Assistance of Counsel for ... defence,” and the Fifth Amendment protected “the right to the aid of counsel when desired and provided by the party asserting the right,” Powell v. Alabama, 287 U.S. 45, 68 (1932). This value placed on the role of lawyers caught the attention of Alexis de Tocqueville, who in reflecting on his travels throughout the early United States in 1831 and 1832, insightfully remarked that “the authority ... intrusted to members of the legal profession … is the most powerful existing security against the excesses of democracy.”

The Supreme Court, too, has recognized the importance of lawyers to the functioning of the American judicial system, since “[a]n informed, independent judiciary presumes an informed, independent bar.” Legal Servs. Corp. v. Velazquez, 531 U.S. 533, 545 (2001). This is so because Congress may legislate, the President may implement, and courts may adjudicate, “but only the lawyers can prepare and submit the great issues of human justice under law in such manner and form that courts, in the ultimate, may be effective.” Williams v. Beto, 354 F.2d 698, 706 (5th Cir. 1965). Absent their crucial independence, lawyers would “become nothing more than parrots of the views of whatever group wields governmental power at the moment.” Cohen v. Hurley, 366 U.S. 117, 138 (1961) (Black, J., dissenting).

The instant case presents an unprecedented attack on these foundational principles. On March 6, 2025, President Trump issued Executive Order 14230, entitled “Addressing Risks from Perkins Coie LLP.” By its terms, this Order stigmatizes and penalizes a particular law firm and its employees—from its partners to its associate attorneys, secretaries, and mailroom attendants—due to the Firm’s representation, both in the past and currently, of clients pursuing claims and taking positions with which the current President disagrees, as well as the Firm’s own speech. In a cringe-worthy twist on the theatrical phrase “Let’s kill all the lawyers,” EO 14230 takes the approach of “Let’s kill the lawyers I don’t like,” sending the clear message: lawyers must stick to the party line, or else.

Using the powers of the federal government to target lawyers for their representation of clients and avowed progressive employment policies in an overt attempt to suppress and punish certain viewpoints, however, is contrary to the Constitution, which requires that the government respond to dissenting or unpopular speech or ideas with “tolerance, not coercion.” 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis, 600 U.S. 570, 603 (2023). The Supreme Court has long made clear that “no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics ... or other matters of opinion.” W. Va. State Bd. of Educ. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 642 (1943). Simply put, government officials “cannot . . . use the power of the State to punish or suppress disfavored expression.” NRA v. Vullo, 602 U.S. 175, 188 (2024).

That, however, is exactly what is happening here.
 
Thank god for our judiciary, which right now is singlehandedly preserving our country. Which is why, of course, Trump and his army of brownshirts want judges like Howell impeached.
 
These EO's against law firms that represented his perceived enemies are unconstitutional on the surface. You don’t need a judge to tell you that. It has to be Trumpers know how wrong this is but for some reason can't say so. Why is criticism of Trump, an elected politician, so anathema to them?
 
These EO's against law firms that represented his perceived enemies are unconstitutional on the surface. You don’t need a judge to tell you that. It has to be Trumpers know how wrong this is but for some reason can't say so. Why is criticism of Trump, an elected politician, so anathema to them?
I think the general private sentiment amongst Trump supporters is: "Trump, despite all his many faults and problems, is still better than baby-eating, child-abusing, communist Democrats."

You can thank the Republican propaganda machine for that.
 
I think the general private sentiment amongst Trump supporters is: "Trump, despite all his many faults and problems, is still better than baby-eating, child-abusing, communist Democrats."

You can thank the Republican propaganda machine for that.
Perhaps but criticizing elected officials for inappropriate words and actions is part of the electorate's responsibility even when you voted for them. They are supposed to be public servants not the other way around.
 
Perhaps but criticizing elected officials for inappropriate words and actions is part of the electorate's responsibility even when you voted for them. They are supposed to be public servants not the other way around.
While I agree, when the alternative is "evil Democrats" they are willing to tolerate any degree of inappropriate behavior. The man they voted into the highest office in the world cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star. Yet they have been convinced that they are still on the side of the "lesser evil."
 
While I agree, when the alternative is "evil Democrats" they are willing to tolerate any degree of inappropriate behavior. The man they voted into the highest office in the world cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star. Yet they have been convinced that they are still on the side of the "lesser evil."
It just reveals the true character of these Trump supporters. They are just like him. Cheating on pregnant wives is acceptable to them. Cheating on taxes is acceptable to them. They think it makes one smart.

Imagine how much farther ahead America could be if we had a more educated populace. The dumbing down of America began in the Nixon years and really got going with the Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich era, and here we are. With half the population who thinks Trump and Bannon are heroes.

Donnie 2 Dolls is not the cause of American decline; he is the result.
 
Thank god for our judiciary, which right now is singlehandedly preserving our country. Which is why, of course, Trump and his army of brownshirts want judges like Howell impeached.

Are they preserving our country? Multiple judges have ruled against Trump, including the SCOTUS, but Trump is just ignoring their rulings.
 
It just reveals the true character of these Trump supporters. They are just like him. Cheating on pregnant wives is acceptable to them. Cheating on taxes is acceptable to them. They think it makes one smart.
I think they might counter with a Monica Lewinsky reference.

The truth is: No president is perfect. But when you frighten people into believing that they are actually in physical danger from the opposing political party, and if you can convince them that people who hold different political views are actually bloodthirsty monsters who are actively seeking to destroy the country and ruin society, then a little racism, homophobia, unfaithfulness, pathological lying, and fascist rhetoric don't seem so bad in comparison.
 
I think they might counter with a Monica Lewinsky reference.

The truth is: No president is perfect. But when you frighten people into believing that they are actually in physical danger from the opposing political party, and if you can convince them that people who hold different political views are actually bloodthirsty monsters who are actively seeking to destroy the country and ruin society, then a little racism, homophobia, unfaithfulness, pathological lying, and fascist rhetoric don't seem so bad in comparison.
There's a big difference. Not speaking for anyone else here, but I never approved of Billy's shenanigans. I doubt too many democrats did either. Billy never bragged about grabbing anything. Once caught, he admitted it and took his licks. Trump still claims the whole Stormy thing was a lie even after being convicted for crimes related to it and his people voted him in again.

I can understand the first electoral victory. I will never understand the second one. If Clinton was a low life, what is Trump in comparison?
 
There's a big difference. Not speaking for anyone else here, but I never approved of Billy's shenanigans. I doubt too many democrats did either. Billy never bragged about grabbing anything. Once caught, he admitted it and took his licks. Trump still claims the whole Stormy thing was a lie even after being convicted for crimes related to it and his people voted him in again.

I can understand the first electoral victory. I will never understand the second one. If Clinton was a low life, what is Trump in comparison?

My take on Clinton was: yeah, way to embarrass the US, but cheating is a private matter between partners (admittedly Hillary wouldn't have known but for the scandal). It doesn't affect governance. Ken Starr only ever meandered his way over to it because Whitewater didn't go anywhere and that....what was her name? Linda Tripp?

At any rate, Bill Clinton was definitely a total cad. But a BJ isn't grounds for removal, unless perhaps it's kicking the interpreters out so he can service Putin.


That said... he had been accused of a lot more in the past by other women. Didn't really know about that until after the whole blue dress thing.
 
At any rate, Bill Clinton was definitely a total cad. But a BJ isn't grounds for removal, unless perhaps it's kicking the interpreters out so he can service Putin.
What bothered me most was the incredible lack of judgment. I could never accept that someone with such poor judgment, sex in the Oval Office, could be leader of the free world. My synapses simply couldn't connect. Same with Trudeau and some of his personal decisions and for sure with Trump...in spades. I hold elected leaders to certain standards......I don't expect sainthood, I expect respect for the office they hold.
 
The attack on law firms and the judiciary and judges should be the biggest wake up call so far.

But alas, Americans by and large are too stupid to see the massive red warning signs flash right in front of their eyes.
 

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