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Judge: brain-dead pregnant woman to be removed from life support


They husband did not allow tests on the fetus until recently, which is why it took so long. At the beginning the husband kept saying we know nothing about the condition of the fetus.
 
Bless this family. They have suffered in a way that is cruel.

Not really. They suffered when she was died. This was an attempt to keep a corpse warm long enough to allow the human life inside to be born. It is not worse than the initial death was.
 
My only disgust is with the length of time this took to get to the courts. Courts have schedules, but the hospital should have insisted this be fast tracked. I have a hard time believing it two 2 months to get here.

also like i said i hope the next step is getting this law thrown out or amendment so it no longer go against rights and RvW.
THe familys suffering is over and the child can be put to rest thank god but theres still more that needs done.
 

Well. It's over, John. The hospital didn't have a statutory argument. They made a completely reckless claim that they were held legally responsible to keep the fetus alive until viability age between 26 and 28 week. NONSENSE!

The fetus was 14 weeks old when the woman died. There is no legal protection for a 14 week old fetus. The husband had every right to stand proxy in determining his wife's fate.
 

I do not know enough about these things, but how is it possible to keep anything alive inside of something brain dead and decaying? Science is wonderful, but nature does what nature does! This make me want to throw up, for the fetus's sake! :shock:

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:
 

Haha, now you are adding wants. Did the judge say the law was baseless or its application to this woman was baseless?
 

Yes it is over, and we will have to simply acknowledge that we disagree as to why it's over.
 

Good evening Lady P.

I don't presume to know the medical ins and outs of this - most of medicine is a mystery to me. I simply know that there are cases where a dead body has remained "functioning" while a fetus has developed inside until viable. In another thread on this subject, I posted an article about a woman who died at 15 wks pregnant and they kept her on life support for 12 weeks and the child was born and is now normal, healthy, and a pre-teen, so it can be done in certain circumstances.
 

The whole thing plays out like the plot of a horror movie.....except for the ending.
 
Haha, now you are adding wants. Did the judge say the law was baseless or its application to this woman was baseless?

CNN reported that the judge said it was not applicable since she was dead.

I am waiting for the transcript to make sure they got it right, though.
 
Yes it is over, and we will have to simply acknowledge that we disagree as to why it's over.

How can you disagree? The hospital's defense was published what . They were WRONG.

They had zero guarantee that if they kept that deformed fetus alive to viability that it would live. And if it lived...and it would have been against the wishes of the father, would the hospital assume financial liability for however long the child lived?
 
also like i said i hope the next step is getting this law thrown out or amendment so it no longer go against rights and RvW.
THe familys suffering is over and the child can be put to rest thank god but theres still more that needs done.

It's not really against RvW though. There is claim to property for sure, but that's about it.
 

I asked that very important question i also asked who is paying for any of this?

how expensive is it to keep somebody on life support i read it can be like 3-11k a day, at two months thats a lot of money

i hope they dont expect to give that bill to the husband
 
It's not really against RvW though. There is claim to property for sure, but that's about it.

curious why doesnt it go against RvW? aborting can be done for any reason prior to 24 weeks

a law saying that this istuation negates that 24 week window no matter what the woman wanted is against that
 

I think the bill is really the only real contention, I don't see there being some moral quandary over keeping a body warm to protect and deliver a human.
 
curious why doesnt it go against RvW? aborting can be done for any reason prior to 24 weeks

a law saying that this istuation negates that 24 week window no matter what the woman wanted is against that

RvW is about a woman's right to choose and gives them a window in which they can have an abortion. But this wasn't a woman, this was a dead human. A dead human is no longer human, it is not a person, it has no rights; it's a thing. A corpse is a thing. Corpses have no rights. Ergo, it has nothing to do with RvW. As I said, there was claim to property (a corpse can be property), but that's it. Dead people have no rights.
 
CNN reported that the judge said it was not applicable since she was dead.

I am waiting for the transcript to make sure they got it right, though.

That's not quite true according to the statutes...actually.

Even if she had a valid medical directive...here's is how they read in Texas.

But the failed case by the hospital is that the statute requires them to keep the fetus alive until viability. NONSENSE. That's a pro-life hospital administrator trying to get around abortion rights.
 
I think the bill is really the only real contention, I don't see there being some moral quandary over keeping a body warm to protect and deliver a human.

I couldnt care less about subjective morals yours or mine.

the contention is that it goes against RvW

i mean theres been no ruling on this so we'd have to see, its only my opinion but this is why i want this to go to court

i cant see any way to justify it in this case and say it doesnt go against rights and RvW.
 

RvW is applicable only to humans. A corpse is not human.
 

Oh, it was? What was his or her name? Was this hospital administrator a pro-life activist? What's your evidence?
 

The hospital, from what I've seen, in the last day or two determined that the fetus was not viable and thus joined the husband in his petition to remove life support. That is far different from your claim that the law did not apply. I suspect, had the hospital determined the fetus was still viable, we might have a different outcome and a certainty of appeal.

The hospital wasn't wrong - the prognosis for the fetus changed, and therefore their position on application of the law changed.
 

1.) correct and that window is 24 weeks which was not achieved yet
2.) Her decision is to not revive her which would end her pregnancy, her choice.
also she has a husband, who by law is her, they are one, he is also the father and their is family

i still see zero justification for this law and i cant imagine any reason for it to hold up once challenged and it to be found worthy of violating RvW and other rights.

also dead people do have some rights, well, or at least laws that protect them. abusing your dead body is a crime, after you die if you had a request for your body to be treated in a way according to your religion and i just came along and through it in the wood chipper thats a crime too.
 
I'll check it out...

IE I have no idea, I'll just assume the people in charge of the hospital were a bunch of bible thumpin, slack jawed yokels rather than educated people confused about legislation.

No one believes the law needs to be re-worded?
 
Oh, it was? What was his or her name? Was this hospital administrator a pro-life activist? What's your evidence?

Well, Nota...let's start with this and I'll research the administrator...how's that?

 
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