Jon Stewart calls out Centrist BS

[Dans La Lune]

Dems run a centrist candidate, prop up failing centrist Dem, replace him with a centrist Dem, a use a centrist campaign playbook, try to appeal to the right-wing over progressives, but it's the progressives who are at fault. Stephen A. Smith is high on his own supply. Thankfully Jon Stewart easily dismantles his BS.

"[Progressives] didn't choose Joe Biden, they don't have the power in that party; Chuck Schumer is out there writing 8 strongly worded questions to Donald Trump. The progressives are the one going, 'People in this country want Medicare For All -- DO SOMETHING. They're the ones who have a principled agenda that they're going to put forth, that all the Democrats have RUN FROM under the guise of, 'We have to be moderate, we have to be centrist.' That doesn't appeal to changing the culture and dynamic of how this government should work: By the People, For the People, Of the People." - Jon Stewart

 

[JoeB131]

Dems run a centrist candidate, prop up failing centrist Dem, replace him with a centrist Dem, a use a centrist campaign playbook, try to appeal to the right-wing over progressives, but it's the progressives who are at fault. Stephen A. Smith is high on his own supply. Thankfully Jon Stewart easily dismantles his BS.

Let's get real here.

The Democrats lost the minute they put Joe Biden up on a stage with Trump, and the man didn't know where he was.

Zero credibility after that. And nothing Harris (who no one really wanted) said was going to fix that.

The problem isn't appealing to the "Right Wing", it's appealing to middle Americans who don't really pay a lot of attention to politics, but didn't like paying $5.00 for gas and $10.00 for eggs.

Biden's fumbling on immigration, transgenders, and other issues didn't help either.

He just through revulsion with Trump would carry him, and it didn't. Didn't carry Harris, either.

 

[yankintx]

Let's get real here.

The Democrats lost the minute they put Joe Biden up on a stage with Trump, and the man didn't know where he was.

Zero credibility after that. And nothing Harris (who no one really wanted) said was going to fix that.

The problem isn't appealing to the "Right Wing", it's appealing to middle Americans who don't really pay a lot of attention to politics, but didn't like paying $5.00 for gas and $10.00 for eggs.

Biden's fumbling on immigration, transgenders, and other issues didn't help either.

He just through revulsion with Trump would carry him, and it didn't. Didn't carry Harris, either.

What is pathetic is that the Dems could not put up a viable candidate to beat someone like Trump.

 

[Helix]

The Democrats are already about as far to the right as I can stand.

 

[JoeB131]

The Democrats are already about as far to the right as I can stand.

Yet, they've lost the people I grew up with.

I grew up in a working-class, mostly white neighborhood in Chicago. Most of the people there could trace their families to the boat within one or two generations. For decades, these people voted reliably Democrats.

Today, their Children are wearing MAGA Hats.

Probably because someone told them that their sons of immigrants stories of working hard and making a life for yourself is just some of that nasty old white privilege, and you need to be ashamed.

Except now it isn't just white folks. Asians and Hispanics shifted heavily to Trump this election despite his anti-immigrant rhetoric.

 

[multivita-man]

Let's get real here.

The Democrats lost the minute they put Joe Biden up on a stage with Trump, and the man didn't know where he was.

Zero credibility after that. And nothing Harris (who no one really wanted) said was going to fix that.

True, but it's deeper than that. The Democrats have an authenticity problem.

It recently occurred to me that Republicans/Conservatives are ahead of Democrats when it comes to utilizing technology and modern platforms. Republicans are far more comfortable going on podcasts, which Democrats seem to shun. They stick to traditional platforms like late night TV, news broadcast interviews, debate shows, and that sort of thing, and the problem with that is that fewer people get their information from those outlets. If anything, Margaret Brennan isn't watch as much as she is replayed in clips and sound bytes. Dems need to adapt and get more comfortable doing long-form podcasts. Hell, even start their own weeklies or something, but they are behind.

 

[JoeB131]

True, but it's deeper than that. The Democrats have an authenticity problem.

It recently occurred to me that Republicans/Conservatives are ahead of Democrats when it comes to utilizing technology and modern platforms. Republicans are far more comfortable going on podcasts, which Democrats seem to shun. They stick to traditional platforms like late night TV, news broadcast interviews, debate shows, and that sort of thing, and the problem with that is that fewer people get their information from those outlets. If anything, Margaret Brennan isn't watch as much as she is replayed in clips and sound bytes. Dems need to adapt and get more comfortable doing long-form podcasts. Hell, even start their own weeklies or something, but they are behind.

I completely agree, Democrats have a messaging problem.

But Corporate Media has spent the last 20 years building up Trump starting with The Apprentice.

 

[joluoto]

Doesn't matter, the Dems will never win again.

 

[multivita-man]

Doesn't matter, the Dems will never win again.

I do think there's a way out, but we're going to go through a very long, dark, stormy night before the sun rises again.

 

[aociswundumho]

Dems need to adapt and get more comfortable doing long-form podcasts.

Talking about what? Democrats are the party of higher taxes and more state control over the economy, which has already ruined the healthcare and housing markets. Nobody with half a brain wants the entire country to look like California, or NY, or Illinois.

 

[aociswundumho]

Dems run a centrist candidate, prop up failing centrist Dem, replace him with a centrist Dem, a use a centrist campaign playbook, try to appeal to the right-wing over progressives, but it's the progressives who are at fault. Stephen A. Smith is high on his own supply. Thankfully Jon Stewart easily dismantles his BS.

Harris isn't a centrist, she is one of the most left-wing politicians in the shithole that is DC. She supports medicare for all, the idiotic green new deal, and even stricter gun control laws.

 

[multivita-man]

Talking about what? Democrats are the party of higher taxes and more state control over the economy, which has already ruined the healthcare and housing markets. Nobody with half a brain wants the entire country to look like California, or NY, or Illinois.

 

[Cope]

What they need, what they've always needed, is a charismatic, common sense, neutral policy candidate.

The middle/centrists/independents, want simple things like: More money to spend, cheaper groceries/gas/less strife (abortion, 2nd amendment, trans, immigration). They don't want to fight fight fight, they want to cruise.

 

[aociswundumho]

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This is why democrats can't do podcasts. Their idiotic policies are indefensible.

 

[Helix]

Yet, they've lost the people I grew up with.

I grew up in a working-class, mostly white neighborhood in Chicago. Most of the people there could trace their families to the boat within one or two generations. For decades, these people voted reliably Democrats.

Today, their Children are wearing MAGA Hats.

Probably because someone told them that their sons of immigrants stories of working hard and making a life for yourself is just some of that nasty old white privilege, and you need to be ashamed.

Except now it isn't just white folks. Asians and Hispanics shifted heavily to Trump this election despite his anti-immigrant rhetoric.

He seems to be doing great selling white supremacy to minorities lately. You can read all about it, but you'll need to turn off the faux.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Let's get real here.

The Democrats lost the minute they put Joe Biden up on a stage with Trump, and the man didn't know where he was.

Joe Biden age and discrepancy isn't the weak link, it was just the final straw. The weak link in 2024 was a failing moderate-centrist message combined with a genocide. Dems lost their base and try to appeal to unicorn right-of-center voters who hadn't made up their mind. I have not seen such a loser strategy since... I dunno, 2016?

Zero credibility after that. And nothing Harris (who no one really wanted) said was going to fix that.

Harris started out with a Straight Flush and then folded in favor of moderate centrism.

The problem isn't appealing to the "Right Wing", it's appealing to middle Americans who don't really pay a lot of attention to politics, but didn't like paying $5.00 for gas and $10.00 for eggs.

And offering no solutions.

Biden's fumbling on immigration, transgenders, and other issues didn't help either.

Democrats can't fight the right-wing message because they fundamentally don't believe in anything, and thus concede the right-wing's argument by default.

He just through revulsion with Trump would carry him, and it didn't. Didn't carry Harris, either.

That's correct.

 

[weNeedaNewParty]

What they need, what they've always needed, is a charismatic, common sense, neutral policy candidate.

The middle/centrists/independents, want simple things like: More money to spend, cheaper groceries/gas/less strife (abortion, 2nd amendment, trans, immigration). They don't want to fight fight fight, they want to cruise.

I'd be happy if the price of groceries would just stop increasing !! (never mind cheaper)

 

[Dans La Lune]

Harris isn't a centrist, she is one of the most left-wing politicians in the shithole that is DC. She supports medicare for all, the idiotic green new deal, and even stricter gun control laws.

No, she briefly dipped her toe in progressive waters in 2020 (when progressives were winning and riding high), got scared when the media asked to defend basic progressive positions, and was pressured by her donors to adopt corporate-centrist positions on every issue. AKA she's a standard centrist democrat who lacks any ideological beliefs except who funds their campaign.

 

[aociswundumho]

and was pressured by her donors to adopt corporate-centrist positions on every issue.

Yes, because progressivism is a political loser. Nobody wants to live in a country modeled after California, NY, or Illinois. It means sky-high taxes, crushing regulations, and a brutal cost of living. That’s why productive people are fleeing those states in droves.

Progressivism at the national level just means making sure there’s nowhere left to run.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Yes, because progressivism is a political loser.

Because there's no corruption involved. There's no self-dealing, no money to skim off the top. It is profitable to oppose progressivism, because there are business interests involved in undermining it. The media, the oligarchy, corporations and special interests are all aligned against it because they've gotten fat and giggly off the current broken system.

Bring the message to the people and progressivism will win. But the corrupt current system is an end-run around democracy.

 

[Cope]

Because there's no corruption involved. There's no self-dealing, no money to skim off the top. It is profitable to oppose progressivism, because there are business interests involved in undermining it. The media, the oligarchy, corporations and special interests are all aligned against it because they've gotten fat and giggly off the current broken system.

Bring the message to the people and progressivism will win. But the corrupt current system is an end-run around democracy.

Let's get to the heart of the matter.

Who wins with progressivism? And how.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Let's get to the heart of the matter.

Who wins with progressivism? And how.

People vote on issues that are popular and their representatives get elected to enact the agenda they were elected for. Aka democracy. It's a bit old fashioned to believe in it, but I'm a sucker for nostalgia.

Progressive Issues Percentages​

Several progressive issues have garnered significant support among the American public, as revealed by various polls and surveys:

• Generic pharmaceuticals: A proposal to create generic versions of life-saving drugs has net support of 30% (51% support, 21% oppose) among eligible voters.1
• Public option for internet: This policy, which aims to provide a government-backed internet service, has net support of 39% (56% support, 16% oppose).1
• Job guarantee: A policy ensuring a government-provided job to anyone who wants one has 55% support and 23% opposition.1
• Ending cash bail: This reform, which seeks to eliminate the practice of requiring bail for pretrial release, has net support of 21% (45% support, 24% oppose).1
• Medicare for All: Despite being a contentious topic, this policy has 70% support among Americans, with 90% of all Americans wanting aggressive action to reduce prescription drug prices.2
• Paid maternity leave: A majority of Americans (60%) support government-mandated paid maternity leave.3
• Raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour: This proposal has support from 60% of the public, although Republican support is only at 31%.3
• Tuition-free state and public colleges: About 57% of the public supports this idea, including 80% of Democrats and 61% of Independents.

Polling The Left Agenda

How popular are the ideas on the left?

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Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies - Public Citizen

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Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

From government-mandated paid maternity leave to tuition free college, the CNBC All-America Economic Survey reveals a surprising American appetite for some very progressive policies.

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There are no popular centrist policies that I'm aware of. Centrists get elected through campaign corruption and media complicity.

 

[aociswundumho]

Because there's no corruption involved. There's no self-dealing, no money to skim off the top. It is profitable to oppose progressivism, because there are business interests involved in undermining it. The media, the oligarchy, corporations and special interests are all aligned against it because they've gotten fat and giggly off the current broken system.

Progressivism is just economic fascism, which is why early progressives luved Mussolini's Italy, with his expansive welfare state, huge public spending, nationalization of key industries, mandatory union membership, and various public/private partnerships. That's basically your ideal economy, and it is corrupt to the core.

Bring the message to the people and progressivism will win. But the corrupt current system is an end-run around democracy.

If progressivism were winning, people would be flocking to California, NY, and Illinois. Instead they are getting out as fast as they can.

 

[aociswundumho]

People vote on issues that are popular and their representatives get elected to enact the agenda they were elected for.

Voting is how progressive hero Hugo Chavez got into power, and promptly destroyed the country.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Progressivism is just economic fascism, which is why early progressives luved Mussolini's Italy, with his expansive welfare state, huge public spending, nationalization of key industries, mandatory union membership, and various public/private partnerships. That's basically your ideal economy, and it is corrupt to the core.



If progressivism were winning, people would be flocking to California, NY, and Illinois. Instead they are getting out as fast as they can.

The problem is you don't understand any of the terms or politics you think you do. And it's embarrassing.